diff --git a/book/2004-09.txt b/book/2004-09.txt
index a034fb4..fa385fb 100644
--- a/book/2004-09.txt
+++ b/book/2004-09.txt
@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@ HELP!
 
 \start
 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:49:45 +0100
-From: Nic Doye <nic@worldofnic.org>
+From: Nic Doye Nic Doye
 To: list
 Subject: Attempt to build axiom on Fedora Core 2 fails: Makefile.axiom not defined
 
@@ -166,12 +166,12 @@ Bill Page.
 \start
 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:23:24 +0200
 From: David Mentre
-To: Nic Doye <nic@worldofnic.org>
+To: Nic Doye Nic Doye
 Subject: Re: Attempt to build axiom on Fedora Core 2 fails: Makefile.axiom not defined
 
 Hello Nic,
 
-Nic Doye <nic@worldofnic.org> writes:
+Nic Doye Nic Doye writes:
 
 > export AXIOM=/home/nic/dev/axiom/mnt/linux
 > export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
@@ -227,7 +227,7 @@ Thomas Sturm
 
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 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:32:51 +0100
-From: Nic Doye <nic@worldofnic.org>
+From: Nic Doye Nic Doye
 To: list
 Subject: Re: Attempt to build axiom on Fedora Core 2 fails: Makefile.axiom not defined
 
diff --git a/book/2005-08.txt b/book/2005-08.txt
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 Subject: [Axiom-mail] Re: input initialization file
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 In your axiom.input file add the line
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 From: Cliff Yapp
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+To: list
 Subject: Ideas for "next generation" CAS?
 
 Hey Tim.  I recall some time back you mentioned some ideas you had for
@@ -216,47 +60,11 @@ fundamental design philosophy considerations, among other things.  Is
 there a summary of those thoughts somewhere?  I'm having some trouble
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 In that same vein, does anybody know anything about this effort?
 
@@ -271,9 +79,6 @@ significant extension of Martin-Lof's intuitionistic Type Theory
 Downloadable here:
 http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Projects/NuPrl/html/NuprlSystem.html
 
-Cheers,
-CY
-
 --- Cliff Yapp wrote:
 
 > Hey Tim.  I recall some time back you mentioned some ideas you had
@@ -282,62 +87,13 @@ CY
 > fundamental design philosophy considerations, among other things.  Is
 > there a summary of those thoughts somewhere?  I'm having some trouble
 > finding it in the archives.
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-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDeveloper/diff
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 In that same vein, does anybody know anything about this effort?
 
 http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/Projects/NuPrl/
@@ -351,9 +107,6 @@ significant extension of Martin-Lof's intuitionistic Type Theory
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 --- Cliff Yapp wrote:
 
 > Hey Tim.  I recall some time back you mentioned some ideas you had
@@ -362,209 +115,82 @@ CY
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+Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:35:12 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:35:12 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Imitation As Complement] (new) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ImitationAsComplement/diff
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 MaplePrimes
 
-  A new website: http://beta.mapleprimes.com has been created to offer a moderated community for Maple users to communicate and share techniques with each other.  This is a great place for all Maple users to interact and share their work.
+  A new website: http://beta.mapleprimes.com has been created to offer
+  a moderated community for Maple users to communicate and share
+  techniques with each other.  This is a great place for all Maple
+  users to interact and share their work.
 
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+\start
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:35:52 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [MaplePrimes] (new) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/MaplePrimes/diff
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-Two of the most significant features of MaplePrimes are moderated forums and weblogs (blogs).
+Two of the most significant features of MaplePrimes are moderated
+forums and weblogs (blogs).
 
-The forums function much like comp.soft-sys.math.maple and other public Maple forums, where people can post their questions and have them answered by the community. The difference is that the MaplePrimes forums will be monitored and moderated by Maplesoft selected community members. And for questions that the user community cannot answer, Maplesoft developers will be there to help as well.
+The forums function much like comp.soft-sys.math.maple and other
+public Maple forums, where people can post their questions and have
+them answered by the community. The difference is that the MaplePrimes
+forums will be monitored and moderated by Maplesoft selected community
+members. And for questions that the user community cannot answer,
+Maplesoft developers will be there to help as well.
 
-The blogs allow any user to share their experiences with Maple and mathematics. MaplePrimes provides a place where like minded people can show off their latest findings, share Maple procedures or chat about their favorite theorems. This is a great place for Maple application authors to share what they are working on and to get instant user feedback.
+The blogs allow any user to share their experiences with Maple and
+mathematics. MaplePrimes provides a place where like minded people can
+show off their latest findings, share Maple procedures or chat about
+their favorite theorems. This is a great place for Maple application
+authors to share what they are working on and to get instant user
+feedback.
 
-Throughout the site, many special features are available. The most interesting is the ability to post mathematics in 2D notation like you would find in a textbook. It is as easy as either entering MathML or the Maple syntax for the math you want to appear.
+Throughout the site, many special features are available. The most
+interesting is the ability to post mathematics in 2D notation like you
+would find in a textbook. It is as easy as either entering MathML or
+the Maple syntax for the math you want to appear.
 
-Overall, we would like MaplePrimes to become the first complete Mathematical portal. MaplePrimes should allow anyone with any Math knowledge get help and share what they find.  We have a number of ideas in development that will add to this.
+Overall, we would like MaplePrimes to become the first complete
+Mathematical portal. MaplePrimes should allow anyone with any Math
+knowledge get help and share what they find.  We have a number of
+ideas in development that will add to this.
 
-Please go and check it out at http://beta.mapleprimes.com I hope that you will find the site to be very useful and come back to visit often.
+Please go and check it out at http://beta.mapleprimes.com I hope that
+you will find the site to be very useful and come back to visit often.
 
 Based on email from::
 
@@ -579,48 +205,12 @@ http://www.maplesoft.com
 
 http://beta.mapleprimes.com
 
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+\start
+Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:18:09 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:18:09 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [other Computer Algebra systems] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems/diff
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+\start
+Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:28:34 -0500
 From: MathAction (billpage)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:28:34 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [FrontPage] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/FrontPage/diff
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+\start
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 To: MathAction
 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:35:17 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [AxiomDownload] change to www.axiom-developer.org
-	as standard site name
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-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
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+Subject: [AxiomDownload] change to www.axiom-developer.org as standard site name
 
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-??changed:
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--    (binary)":http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+9+binary
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-??changed:
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    (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Feb2005-Fedora3-bin.tgz&it=Fedora+Core+3+binary
 
-??changed:
--  * "Windows version 0.1.4":http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://page.axiom-developer.org/axiom-windows-0.1.4.exe&it=Windows+version+0.1.4 ${\bf\longleftarrow}$ **Recommended Download** 
   * "Windows version 0.1.4":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://page.axiom-developer.org/axiom-windows-0.1.4.exe&it=Windows+version+0.1.4 ${\bf\longleftarrow}$ **Recommended Download** 
 
-??changed:
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   * "Windows version 0.1.3":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://page.axiom-developer.org/axiom-windows-0.1.3.exe&it=Windows+version+0.1.3
 
-??changed:
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   * "Debian version":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://packages.debian.org/testing/math/axiom.html&it=Debian+version
 
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-??changed:
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+\start
+Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:47:06 -0500
 From: MathAction (billpage)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 20:47:06 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [mirrors] make www.axiom-developer the standard
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 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:57:48 -0500
+From: Tim Daly
 To: Cliff Yapp
-Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org
 Subject: Ideas for "next generation" CAS
 
 CY,
@@ -1094,80 +506,12 @@ if you want more comments or specific details of my local projects
 
 hope this is useful to you.
 
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+Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:00:27 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:00:27 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#196 )set functions compile on] (nouveau) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/196SetFunctionsCompileOn/diff
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 For some strange reason, without issuing
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -1182,114 +526,28 @@ the following will not work and cause the interpreter to crash.
 
 The same problem was reported in a different context in bug #165
 
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+Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 05:02:24 -0500
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 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [#196 )set functions compile on] 
 
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 the following will not work and cause the interpreter to crash:
 
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--   f(xl: LIST FRAC INT): LIST FRAC INT == map(x +-> x, xl)
--   f [1,2,3]
 f(xl: LIST FRAC INT): LIST FRAC INT == map(x +-> x, xl)
 
 f [1,2,3]
 
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+\start
+Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:27:17 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:27:17 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [other Computer Algebra systems] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems/diff
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-??changed:
--  Maxima
--
--  Yacas
   Maxima -- See: http://maxima.sourceforge.net
 
   Yacas -- See: http://yacas.sourceforge.net/yacas.html
 
-??changed:
--  Maple
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--  Mathematica
--
--  MathCAD
--
--
   Maple -- See: MaplePrimes
 
   Mathematica -- See: http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/index.html
@@ -1298,41 +556,10 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSyste
 
   Mupad -- See: http://www.mupad.de
 
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+Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:34:09 -0400
 From: Bill Page
 To: Camm Maguire
-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:34:09 -0400
-Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: RE: [Gcl-devel] Version_2_7_0t5
 
 Camm,
@@ -1354,36 +581,11 @@ to release an "official" gcl 2.6.7 ? If so, are there any more
 features in the Version_2_7_0 series that can be easily, usefully
 and portably back-ported to 2.6.7?
 
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+Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:39:47 -0400
+From: Camm Maguire
 To: Bill Page
 Subject: re: [Gcl-devel] Version_2_7_0t5
-From: Camm Maguire
-Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:39:47 -0400
-Cc: list
 
 My apologies to all for being so low on 2.6.7.
 
@@ -1409,56 +611,13 @@ Bill Page writes:
 > to release an "official" gcl 2.6.7 ? If so, are there any more
 > features in the Version_2_7_0 series that can be easily, usefully
 > and portably back-ported to 2.6.7?
-> 
-> Regards,
-> Bill Page.
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
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-> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
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-> 
 
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-Camm Maguire			     			Camm Maguire
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+Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:59:46 -0500
 From: MathAction (Ryan Krauss)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:59:46 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
---
 I found this example on the axiom-developer mailing list from about a 
 year ago:
 
@@ -1493,50 +652,13 @@ a dos command?
 
 Is there an easier way?
 
-Thanks for your thoughts,
-
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+Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:29:58 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bob McElrath)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:29:58 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
---
-Ryan Krauss [ryanfedora@comcast.net] wrote:
+Ryan Krauss wrote:
 > I found this example on the axiom-developer mailing list from about a 
 > year ago:
 > 
@@ -1593,39 +715,12 @@ If you're interested in working on this, please join axiom-developer!
 ;)
 
 
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+Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:33:09 -0500
 From: MathAction (Ryan Krauss)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:33:09 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
---
 I can't find any documentation on the pamphlet format.  Can you tell me 
 where I can find out more?
 
@@ -1634,7 +729,7 @@ Thanks,
 Ryan
 
 Bob McElrath wrote:
-> Ryan Krauss [ryanfedora@comcast.net] wrote:
+> Ryan Krauss [Ryan Krauss] wrote:
 > 
 >>I found this example on the axiom-developer mailing list from about a 
 >>year ago:
@@ -1695,55 +790,13 @@ Bob McElrath wrote:
 > 
 > If you're interested in working on this, please join axiom-developer!
 > ;)
-> 
-> --
-> Cheers,
-> Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]
-> 
->     "One of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen
->     these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding
->     fathers used in the great struggle for independence." --Charles A. Beard
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+Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:42 -0500
 From: MathAction (Mike Thomas)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:05:42 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [Axiom-mail] [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on
-	windows
+Subject:  \begin{axiom} latex on windows
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
---
 Hi Ryan.
 
 | I would very much like to be able to write LaTeX documents like this on 
@@ -1755,44 +808,10 @@ To build Axiom on Windows (including those LaTeX pamphlets), I use the excellent
 
 I believe that Bill Page also uses that package.
 
-Cheers
-
-Mike Thomas
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+\start
 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:35:42 -0400
-Cc: 
+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Bill Page, Robert Boyer, Warren Hunt, Matt Kaufmann, Gordon Novak
 Subject: GCL 2.6.7 is released
 
 Greetings!
@@ -1851,44 +870,15 @@ changelog:
     (Closes: #295930). Apply po-debconf patch
   * Newer standards
 
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+From: MathAction (David Mentre)
+To: MathAction
 Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 Hello Ryan,
 
-2005/8/12, Ryan Krauss <ryanfedora@comcast.net>:
+2005/8/12, Ryan Krauss:
 > I can't find any documentation on the pamphlet format.  Can you tell me
 > where I can find out more?
 
@@ -1905,106 +895,20 @@ Some examples : http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~nr/noweb/examples/index.html
 You should also look at axiom-developer mailing list archives, Tim
 Daly has made extensive description of pamphlets.
 
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 Subject: [Axiom-mail] \begin{axiom} latex on windows
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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@@ -2046,55 +950,10 @@ document.write[ln]'s but I am unsure how/where to insert MathML.  I
 assume in Typeset() but I keep looking at this code and it keeps being
 very opaque to me.
 
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+From: Tim Daly
 To: Camm Maguire
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 Subject: gcl-2.6.7
 
 re: slow. hey, life happens, right? i've been really lagged also
@@ -2102,31 +961,9 @@ so our response times match. i just got back from a business trip today.
 
 i've downloaded 2.6.7 and am working to port the system now.
 
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 To: list
 Subject: Axiom on FreeBSD?
 
@@ -2134,40 +971,10 @@ Hi.
 
 I want to use Axiom on FreeBSD, is it possible?
 
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 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: --patch-44
 
 --patch-44 has been uploaded. to get this type:
@@ -2191,35 +998,10 @@ Keywords: daly gcl-2.6.7
 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.cmpnew.gcl_cmpcall.lsp.patch added
 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.tgz added
 
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+From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
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 Subject: Beckermann and Labahn paper
 
 Martin,
@@ -2230,34 +1012,7 @@ Usually I've been rewriting the paper into a more "documenting"
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 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:23:44 +0200
+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Tim Daly
-Cc: list
 Subject: Re: Beckermann and Labahn paper
 
 Tim Daly writes:
@@ -2360,58 +1087,30 @@ No, I don't know them. And in fact, after a little digging, I find that their
 paper is better written than any documentation I could write. I will document
 the bits of code where I depart from their paper.
 
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 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:29:56 +0200
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+From: Gregory Vanuxem
+To: Tim Daly
+Subject: Re: --patch-44
 
 Le samedi 13 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 16:32 -0500, Tim Daly a =E9c=
 rit :
 > --patch-44 has been uploaded. to get this type:
 >     tla get axiom--main--1
->=20
+>
 > Tim
->=20
-> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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 > Summary: move to gcl-2.6.7
 > Keywords: daly gcl-2.6.7
->=20
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 > 20050813 tpd --patch-44
 > 20050813 tpd Makefile VERSION update to Axiom 3.9 (September 2005)
 > 20050813 tpd lsp/Makefile gcl-2.6.7 patches
-> 20050813 tpd Makefile GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.7
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 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.unixport.init_gcl.lsp.in.patch added
 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.h.linux.defs.patch added
@@ -2423,11 +1122,10 @@ More precisely:
 
 
 
-BOOT>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
-=3D=3D=3D algebra bootstrap complete =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+BOOT
+>======================================
+=== algebra bootstrap complete ======
+======================================
 compiling AHYP.spad to AHYP.NRLIB
                         AXIOM Computer Algebra System
                      Version: Axiom 3.9 (September 2005)
@@ -2508,78 +1206,39 @@ Time: 0.01 SEC.
 
 Any idea ?
 
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 To: Tim Daly
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+Subject: Re: --patch-44
 
 Hi,
 
-
 Le samedi 13 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 16:32 -0500, Tim Daly a =E9c=
 rit :
 > --patch-44 has been uploaded. to get this type:
 >     tla get axiom--main--1
->=20
+>
 > Tim
->=20
-> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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+>
+> =========================
+==========================
+=====================
+>
 > Summary: move to gcl-2.6.7
 > Keywords: daly gcl-2.6.7
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 > 20050813 tpd --patch-44
 > 20050813 tpd Makefile VERSION update to Axiom 3.9 (September 2005)
 > 20050813 tpd lsp/Makefile gcl-2.6.7 patches
-> 20050813 tpd Makefile GCLVERSION=3Dgcl-2.6.7
+> 20050813 tpd Makefile GCLVERSION=gcl-2.6.7
 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.unixport.makefile.patch
 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.unixport.init_gcl.lsp.in.patch added
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 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.cmpnew.gcl_cmpflet.lsp.patch added
 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.cmpnew.gcl_cmpcall.lsp.patch added
 > 20050813 tpd gcl-2.6.7.tgz added
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+>
 
 compiling STAGG-.lsp to STAGG-.o
 compiling SYMBOL.lsp to SYMBOL.o
@@ -2593,11 +1252,11 @@ compiling UPOLYC-.lsp to UPOLYC-.o
 compiling URAGG.lsp to URAGG.o
 compiling URAGG-.lsp to URAGG-.o
 compiling VECTOR.lsp to VECTOR.o
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
-=3D=3D=3D algebra bootstrap complete =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+==========================
+============
+=== algebra bootstrap complete ======
+==========================
+============
 compiling AHYP.spad to AHYP.NRLIB
 make[3]: *** [/usr/local/axiom/int/algebra/AHYP.NRLIB/code.o] Erreur 255
 make[3]: quittant le r=E9pertoire =AB /usr/local/axiom/src/algebra =BB
@@ -2608,51 +1267,10 @@ make[1]: quittant le r=E9pertoire =AB /usr/local/axiom =BB
 make: *** [all] Erreur 2
 ellipse:/usr/local/axiom#
 
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-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:41:09 +0200
+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Peter Broadbery
 Subject: Re: Axiom/aldor interface code
-Cc: list
 
 Wow, this is great news!
 
@@ -3040,139 +1432,38 @@ Peter Broadbery writes:
  > Oh, excuse the delay in getting back round to this.  I'm interested in
  > trying to get aldor working, but I think it'll take more testing &
  > development than I can supply in order to get it working 100%.
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+From: Gregory Vanuxem
+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: Axiom/aldor interface code
 
 Le dimanche 14 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 14:55 -0500, Tim Daly a
 =E9crit :
 > Greg,
->=20
+>
 > I've refetched and rebuilt the system from the archives and it builds
 > cleanly here. If you refetch and rebuild does it still fail?
 
 Yes since gcl-2.6.7pre but i don't know why.
 I'll retry probably tomorrow.
 
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+Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0500
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-Cc: 
-Subject: [Lisp's Fraction Integer Domain] Typo error in
-	interp.patch
+Subject: [Lisp's Fraction Integer Domain] Typo error in	interp.patch
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/LispsFractionIntegerDomain/diff
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 From: MathAction (greg)
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 Subject: [#197 DFLOAT format] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/197DFLOATFormat/diff
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 -diff -u  /usr/local/axiom/int/algebra/DFLOAT.spad  Axiom/DFLOAT.spad
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 From: MathAction (greg)
 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [#197 DFLOAT format] (new) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/197DFLOATFormat/diff
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 <pre>
 diff -u  /usr/local/axiom/int/algebra/DFLOAT.spad  Axiom/DFLOAT.spad
@@ -3271,105 +1534,23 @@ diff -u  /usr/local/axiom/int/algebra/DFLOAT.spad  Axiom/DFLOAT.spad
     - x              == (-x)$Lisp
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 There is also a README with instructions. It should be as easy as 
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-Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
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+\start
 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:28:19 +0200
+From: Gregory Vanuxem
+To: list
+Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
 
 Le mercredi 17 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 19:03 +0200, Vanuxem Gr=E9gory a =E9crit :
->=20
+>
 > -----Message d'origine-----
-> De : axiom-developer-bounces+g.vanuxem=3Dwanadoo.fr@nongnu.org
+> De : axiom-developer-bounces+g.vanuxem=wanadoo.fr@nongnu.org
 > part de Kai Kaminski
 > Envoy=E9 : mercredi 17 ao=FBt 2005 18:16
 > =C0 : list
 > Objet : AxiomUI code
->=20
->=20
+>
+>
 > Hi,
->=20
+>
 > an early version of AxiomUI can be found on kaikaminski.gmxhome.de. The
 > only dependency is Clisp. I use 2.34 but earlier version that are not
 > too old should be fine. All Lisp libraries that are needed are containe=
 d
 > in the tarball.
->=20
+>
 > There is also a README with instructions. It should be as easy as
 > starting a shell script.
->=20
+>
 > Kai
 
 Does not work for me.
@@ -3686,47 +1841,11 @@ STOP           :R2      stop loading file
 ABORT          :R3      ABORT
 Break 1 [2]>
 
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 Vanuxem Grégory wrote:
 
@@ -3764,39 +1883,10 @@ Vanuxem Gr
 Thanks for testing. I forgot to include some of the libraries. Should be 
 fixed now.
 
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 Subject: AxiomUI code update
 
 Hi,
@@ -3809,39 +1899,11 @@ Also don't forget to set the AXIOM environment variable as described in
 the README. Alternatively you could edit the Lisp source to get the 
 pathnames right.
 
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+Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:44:53 -0400
 From: Bill Page
 To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: RE: AxiomUI code update
-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:44:53 -0400
-Cc: axiom-developer <list>
 
 Kai,
 
@@ -3915,119 +1977,28 @@ Suggest what might be going wrong here.
 
 Thanks for your hard work!
 
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 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [WishList] Avoid Octave use Scilab
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/WishList/diff
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-I believe there's a better, faster, more complete choice than Octave. It is called Scilab, and it was developed by the French INRIA (Institute Nationale De Recherche en Informatique et Automation, IIRC), and it is in ongoing development, is very complete (even has a simulation kit).
-It is also Open Source. Octave pales in comparison as somewhat of a "toy."
+I believe there's a better, faster, more complete choice than
+Octave. It is called Scilab, and it was developed by the French INRIA
+(Institute Nationale De Recherche en Informatique et Automation,
+IIRC), and it is in ongoing development, is very complete (even has a
+simulation kit).
 
+It is also Open Source. Octave pales in comparison as somewhat of a "toy."
 
 http://scilabsoft.inria.fr/
 
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+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:38:29 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:12:01 -0500
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-Subject: [WishList] Avoid Octave use Scilab
+Subject: [WishList] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/WishList/diff
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-I believe there's a better, faster, more complete choice than Octave. It is called Scilab, and it was developed by the French INRIA (Institute Nationale De Recherche en Informatique et Automation, IIRC), and it is in ongoing development, is very complete (even has a simulation kit).
-It is also Open Source. Octave pales in comparison as somewhat of a "toy."
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-http://scilabsoft.inria.fr/
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 Yes but Scilab is NOT free software. One day or the other, you'll pay it (see the BitKeeper issue for Linux kernel).
 
 For reference: on scilab.org web site, FAQ section:
@@ -4036,125 +2007,48 @@ Q6. Is Scilab license GPL-compatible?
       According to the Free Software Foundation, Scilab is not a free software.
       See http://www.fsf.org/licenses/license-list.html#NonFreeSoftwareLicense.
 
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+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:21:16 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:21:16 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [WishList] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/WishList/diff
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 I believe you should also cite Q1 from the license FAQ:
 
 Q1. What does the Scilab license mean?     
 
 * Scilab license allows you to:
 ** use freely Scilab for non commercial use
-** use freely Scilab for commercial use if you do not use it as a derived software (ie a modified Scilab) or a composite software (ie Scilab included in another software). 
+** use freely Scilab for commercial use if you do not use it as a
+   derived software (ie a modified Scilab) or a composite software (ie
+   Scilab included in another software).
 
 * Scilab license forbids you to:
-** use a composite or derived version of Scilab for commercial uses without asking INRIA authorization. 
+** use a composite or derived version of Scilab for commercial uses
+   without asking INRIA authorization.
 
 (sorry, couldn't find out how nested bullet point lists work)
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+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 04:44:12 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
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 Subject: [WishList] 
 
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-This Q1 point reinforces my arguments: you cannot modify the software without explicit INRIA's authorization. This is not Free Software. I know that all members of Axiom community are not that sensible to Free Software importance. However I personnally do believe that one cannot build the 30 years horizon envisioned by Tim without using **exclusively** Free Software (as defined by the 4 rules, not only GPLed software). I would never invest time and knowledge in a development where I'm not sure to keep long term control of it.
+This Q1 point reinforces my arguments: you cannot modify the software
+without explicit INRIA's authorization. This is not Free Software. I
+know that all members of Axiom community are not that sensible to Free
+Software importance. However I personnally do believe that one cannot
+build the 30 years horizon envisioned by Tim without using
+**exclusively** Free Software (as defined by the 4 rules, not only
+GPLed software). I would never invest time and knowledge in a
+development where I'm not sure to keep long term control of it.
 
-Yours,
-David MentrÃ©
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 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:13:43 +0200
 From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code update
-Cc: axiom-developer <list>
 
 Hi Bill,
 
@@ -4255,54 +2149,21 @@ RUN.BAT file, so that I can include it in the future.
 
 If you have further troubles, I'm almost always on #axiom-developer.
 
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+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:34:26 -0500
 From: MathAction (kai Kaminski)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:34:26 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom In Emacs] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomInEmacs/diff
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-
-??changed:
--On July 18, 2005 11:50 AM Kai Kaminski wrote:
--
--This is a tiny Emacs major mode for BOOT code. It supports very
--rudimentary syntax highlighting and (un)comment-region. To use it,
--put the file <tt>boot-mode.el</tt> somewhere in your <tt>load-path</tt>
--and add <tt>(require &apos;boot-mode)</tt> to your <tt>.emacs</tt>.
--You can activate the mode through <tt>M-x boot-mode RET</tt>.
--
--<a href="boot-mode.el">boot-mode.el</a>
--
-
 <h3>Editing Axiom's Source Code</h3>
 
-Emacs can be configured to make editing Axiom's source code much easier. First of all you have to put <a href="boot-mode.el"><tt>boot-mode.el</tt></a> and <tt>noweb-mode.el</tt> (included in the noweb distribution, which in turn is included in the Axiom distribution) into your <tt>load-path</tt>. Then you add the following to your <tt>.emacs</tt>:
+Emacs can be configured to make editing Axiom's source code much
+easier. First of all you have to put <a
+href="boot-mode.el"><tt>boot-mode.el</tt></a> and
+<tt>noweb-mode.el</tt> (included in the noweb distribution, which in
+turn is included in the Axiom distribution) into your
+<tt>load-path</tt>. Then you add the following to your
+<tt>.emacs</tt>:
 
 <pre>
 ;; NOWEB-MODE
@@ -4333,37 +2194,19 @@ Emacs can be configured to make editing Axiom's source code much easier. First o
        auto-mode-alist))
 </pre>
 
-This code tries to automatically set the code mode in noweb, which only works for files with names of the form <tt>file.ext.pamphlet</tt>, where <tt>ext</tt> indicates the code mode. For example, <tt>sockio.lisp.pamphlet</tt> would have its code mode set to <tt>lisp-mode</tt> and <tt>nci.boot.pamphlet</tt> to <tt>boot-mode</tt>. If the auto-detection can't decide on a mode it uses <tt>fundamental-mode</tt>.
+This code tries to automatically set the code mode in noweb, which
+only works for files with names of the form
+<tt>file.ext.pamphlet</tt>, where <tt>ext</tt> indicates the code
+mode. For example, <tt>sockio.lisp.pamphlet</tt> would have its code
+mode set to <tt>lisp-mode</tt> and <tt>nci.boot.pamphlet</tt> to
+<tt>boot-mode</tt>. If the auto-detection can't decide on a mode it
+uses <tt>fundamental-mode</tt>.
 
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 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:47:56 +0200
+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
-Cc: list
 
 Dear Kai,
 
@@ -4469,44 +2312,12 @@ Kai Kaminski writes:
  > 
  > There is also a README with instructions. It should be as easy as 
  > starting a shell script.
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- > Kai
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 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
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  > Thanks,
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+Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:22:14 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Martin Rubey
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
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 Martin,
 
@@ -4592,36 +2376,12 @@ easy I'd recommend that. Maybe your distribution offers newer
 versions, too. The newest version is 2.34, but 2.33.2 should work as I
 have used that myself in the past.
 
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+From: Kai Kaminski
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 Subject: Function definition crashes Axiom
 
-
 Hi everyone,
 
 I'm currently rebuilding parts of the HyperDoc documentation. One page
@@ -4637,48 +2397,11 @@ built on Ubuntu 5.04. I'm pretty sure that I haven't modified the
 source code prior to compiling it, but I'll rebuild it to be sure, if
 noone else has this problem.
 
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@@ -4701,237 +2424,36 @@ On both axiom 3.0 and 3.4 these two commands also segfault.
 
 So, I don't think it's you.  ;)
 
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--                        AXIOM Computer Algebra System 
--                        Version: Axiom 3.6 (June 2005)
--                Timestamp: Wednesday July 27, 2005 at 12:16:43 
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--    Issue )copyright to view copyright notices.
--    Issue )summary for a summary of useful system commands.
--    Issue )quit to leave AXIOM and return to shell.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--  
--    Re-reading compress.daase   Re-reading interp.daase
--    Re-reading operation.daase
--    Re-reading category.daase
--    Re-reading browse.daase
-- (1) -> 
-- (1) -> integrate(sin(x**2),x)
--       UserDefinedPartialOrdering 
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--Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:07:36 -0500
--Subject: Hmm - formatting of text failed
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 From: MathAction (starseeker)
 To: MathAction
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-Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),
-	x) is not handled ] Hmm - formatting of text failed
+Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] Hmm - formatting of text failed
 
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+Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:06:01 -0500
 From: MathAction (anonymous)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:06:01 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),
-	x) is not handled ] (new) 
+Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] (new) 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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-Axiom doesn't seem to do the integral of sin(x^2), but both Maxima and Mathematica (per http://integrals.wolfram.com/ anyway) produce  answers.  Confirmed by Martin Rubey, and uploaded at his request to IssueTracker.
+Axiom doesn't seem to do the integral of sin(x^2), but both Maxima and
+Mathematica (per http://integrals.wolfram.com/ anyway) produce
+answers.  Confirmed by Martin Rubey, and uploaded at his request to
+IssueTracker.
 
 CY
 
@@ -4976,36 +2498,11 @@ CY
         + (sqrt(2) %i - sqrt(2)) erf(------------------------))/8
                                                 2
  (%i2)
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 Subject: Re: integration
 
 I'm resending this because I'm not sure whether it got through...
@@ -5036,35 +2533,10 @@ should have done something but didn't do :-)
 Unfortunately Manuel Bronstein died. I don't know anybody who would be able to
 document these routines.
 
-Martin
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 To: Cliff Yapp
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 Subject: Re: integration
 
 Thank you!
@@ -5093,44 +2565,12 @@ should have done something but didn't do :-)
 Unfortunately Manuel Bronstein died. I don't know anybody who would be able to
 document these routines.
 
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 Subject: Re: integration
 
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 > Thank you!
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 > C Y writes:
@@ -5198,40 +2638,10 @@ form (numbers and variables)*units, or recognize Newtons out of
 a*kg*b*s^-2*c*m.  Does Axiom have provisions for non-standard display
 conventions and substitution like that?
 
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 C Y writes:
@@ -5292,38 +2702,10 @@ Pattern matching is there too.
 
 or rather, use HyperDoc.
 
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 Subject: Re: integration
 
 --- Martin Rubey wrote:
@@ -5352,120 +2734,11 @@ Um:
 Hmm - I'll need to think about this a bit.  A few examples would help
 :-).
 
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 Kai,
 
@@ -5499,79 +2772,21 @@ Anyway I will change the link to
 <a href="/zope/mathaction/FrontPage/issuetracker">please report it</a>
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 Maxima answer appears to be correct as well.
 
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+Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:12:36 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: Broken link on front page
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 Bill,
 
@@ -5603,37 +2818,10 @@ I used Safari or Firefox, don't remember. But an hour or so after I
 reported this, the link worked again. I just checked to be sure and
 both links work in Safari.
 
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 From: Cliff Yapp
 To: Martin Rubey
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 Subject: Unit package question
 
 Hi all.  I have a rather odd question, and I don't know if this is
@@ -5666,42 +2854,11 @@ support something like this, given it is rather non-standard in normal
 mathematical environments.  Is there anybody who knows what the correct
 approach to this would be?
 
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+Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:53:26 -0400
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+To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: RE: Unit package question
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 Here are few initial ideas about how I think units might
 be implemented in Axiom.
@@ -5823,43 +2980,11 @@ These are just some rough initial ideas. I am not sure how
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 > Here are few initial ideas about how I think units might
 > be implemented in Axiom.
@@ -6106,39 +3231,10 @@ things and I suspect there might be a collision between those and
 there's the whole issue of errors introduced by the CAS itself, due to
 precision limits and such. But that's for another day.
 
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 Subject: Re: Building axiom--main--1--patch-44 fails
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-On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Magnus Larsson wrote:
-> making /home/jocelyn/usr/source/axiom/axiom--main--1--patch-44/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi 
-> from /home/jocelyn/usr/source/axiom/axiom--main--1--patch-44/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet
-> /bin/sh: line 0: [: too many arguments
->                                             
-> All I get is "/bin/sh: line 0: [: too many arguments..". 
-> The make script does not seem to complete and return to the bash shell
-> and give me the cursor back. It just waits.
-I have exactly the same problem with axiom--main--1--patch-44 on Gentoo 
-Linux 2005.1.
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-In the Makefile in the doc directory, making DeveloperNotes.dvi indeed 
-includes some if [ <something> ]; but the arguments of [ seem correct - I 
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-On Saturday 20 August 2005 10.35, Martin Rubey wrote:
-> the problem is with the TeX processing of DeveloperNotes.pamphlet. Although
-> I was unable to fix it, a workaround is to kill the make, and then (WITHOUT
-> cleaning the interupted build) say
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-Hello Martin Rubey,
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-Your workaround works for me to.
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+On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Magnus Larsson wrote:
+> making /home/jocelyn/usr/source/axiom/axiom--main--1--patch-44/mnt/linux/doc/DeveloperNotes.dvi 
+> from /home/jocelyn/usr/source/axiom/axiom--main--1--patch-44/src/doc/DeveloperNotes.pamphlet
+> /bin/sh: line 0: [: too many arguments
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+> All I get is "/bin/sh: line 0: [: too many arguments..". 
+> The make script does not seem to complete and return to the bash shell
+> and give me the cursor back. It just waits.
+I have exactly the same problem with axiom--main--1--patch-44 on Gentoo 
+Linux 2005.1.
 
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:59:03 +0200
+From: Magnus Larsson
+To: Martin Rubey
+Subject: Re: Building axiom--main--1--patch-44 fails
 
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+On Saturday 20 August 2005 10.35, Martin Rubey wrote:
+> the problem is with the TeX processing of DeveloperNotes.pamphlet. Although
+> I was unable to fix it, a workaround is to kill the make, and then (WITHOUT
+> cleaning the interupted build) say
+>
+> make NOISE=
+>
+> at your shell prompt. After a short while you will see TeX in action
+> complaining about a # it shouldn't see. Say
+>
+> q
+>
+> at the TeX prompt. This complaint will appear another time, and you should
+> again answer with
+>
+> q
+>
+> Then the make should continue.
+>
+> Martin
+>
+Hello Martin Rubey,
 
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+Your workaround works for me to.
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Algebra/diff
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+                        AXIOM Computer Algebra System
+                     Version: Axiom 3.9 (September 2005)
+              Timestamp: Saturday August 20, 2005 at 08:39:18
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+   Issue )copyright to view copyright notices.
+   Issue )summary for a summary of useful system commands.
+   Issue )quit to leave AXIOM and return to shell.
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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+   Re-reading compress.daase   Re-reading interp.daase
+   Re-reading operation.daase
+   Re-reading category.daase
+   Re-reading browse.daase
+(1) ->
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:29:54 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:29:54 -0500
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-Subject: [#41 fresh databases are not copied back for
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+Subject: [#41 fresh databases are not copied back for build] 
 
-??changed:
--> > With the fixedPoint script, I noticed that the old database
--> > directories, DEPENDENTS.DAASE and USERS.DAASE, under int/algebra,
--> > are not removed in preparation for the second iteration. Am
--> > I mistaken in thinking that this will influence the subsequent
--> > compilation?
--> 
--> You are correct. The src/algebra/Makefile.pamphlet that I am using
--> on the axiom--windows--1 branch has been updated to properly rebuild
--> the databases if any of the *.NRLIBS/code.o files change. In the
--> linux branches (e.g. axiom--main--1) the database build is still
--> done via a kludge that requires you to delete the file called
--> `dbcomplete' in order to force a rebuild. Alternately you could
--> also delete the int/*.spad files which will force them to be
--> re-extracted from the pamphlet files and also trigger deletion of
--> the dbcomplete file.
 With the fixedPoint script, I noticed that the old database
 directories, DEPENDENTS.DAASE and USERS.DAASE, under int/algebra,
 are not removed in preparation for the second iteration. Am
@@ -8365,42 +3389,12 @@ also delete the int/*.spad files which will force them to be
 re-extracted from the pamphlet files and also trigger deletion of
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 Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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 Note that $sin(x^2)$ is a D-finite function:
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -8409,112 +3403,35 @@ f := sin(x^2)
 \end{axiom}
 
 Thus integration should be "easy"...
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-Subject: [#41 fresh databases are not copied back for
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+Subject: [#41 fresh databases are not copied back for build] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/41FreshDatabasesAreNotCopiedBackForBuild/diff
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 Could you please explain the property change!
 
-Martin
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:05:40 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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-I browsed the web a little more and came to the conclusion that the Risch algorithm only deals with elementary functions whose integral is elementary, too. "Clearly" (looking at maxima's output or browsing the web), $sin(x^2)$ does not have an elementary antiderivative. Hence, I suspect that it should be treated just as $e^{-x^2}$, by the 'PatternMatchIntegration' package. This would not be too difficult, probably.
+I browsed the web a little more and came to the conclusion that the
+Risch algorithm only deals with elementary functions whose integral is
+elementary, too. "Clearly" (looking at maxima's output or browsing the
+web), $sin(x^2)$ does not have an elementary antiderivative. Hence, I
+suspect that it should be treated just as $e^{-x^2}$, by the
+'PatternMatchIntegration' package. This would not be too difficult,
+probably.
 
-Martin
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 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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 Although this does not really solve the original problem, I think I found a bug in 'INTPM'. Currently, there is an operation::
 
            pmComplexintegrate(f, x) ==
@@ -8528,7 +3445,7 @@ Although this does not really solve the original problem, I think I found a bug
 
 It is pretty obvious that the third line should read::
 
-               (u := pmComplexintegrate(rc.nconst, x)) case "failed" => "failed"
+           (u := pmComplexintegrate(rc.nconst, x)) case "failed" => "failed"
 
 instead. If we perform this change, we get instead of
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -8551,115 +3468,24 @@ complexIntegrate(-%i/2*e^(%i*x^2)+%i/2*e^(-%i*x^2),x)
 \end{axiom}
 it fails, although in this case the pattern matcher is invoked. It would need to be invoked on each summand seperately, though.
 
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-Subject: 
-	[#199 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x, x)] (nouveau) 
+Subject: [#199 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x, x)] (nouveau) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/199IntegrateExpX2ExpXXX/diff
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 For some reason, the following forgets about one summand:
 
 \begin{axiom}
 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x,x)
 \end{axiom}
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-Subject: [#199 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x,
-	x)] property change
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-Status: open => fix proposed 
 
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:16:20 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:16:20 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#199 integrate(exp(-x^2)+exp(x)/x,x)] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/199IntegrateExpX2ExpXXX/diff
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 The problem is in 'expintegratepoly$INTTR'. There you find the following definition::
 
   -- returns either
@@ -8679,18 +3505,24 @@ The problem is in 'expintegratepoly$INTTR'. There you find the following definit
         zero? notelm => [answr, coef0]
       [answr, notelm]
 
-In principle, this function takes a polynomial 'p' and tries to integrate every coefficient. If it finds an answer, it adds it to 'answr', otherwise to 'notelm'. Note however, that the constant term of the 'p' will never get added to 'notelm', even if it was not possible to integrate it. So maybe the last line should read::
+In principle, this function takes a polynomial 'p' and tries to
+integrate every coefficient. If it finds an answer, it adds it to
+'answr', otherwise to 'notelm'. Note however, that the constant term
+of the 'p' will never get added to 'notelm', even if it was not
+possible to integrate it. So maybe the last line should read::
 
       [answr, notelm+monomial(coef0, 0)]
 
-This seems to "work", i.e., the integrals are then returned unevaluated. However, I'd rather have axiom to use the linearity of the integral...
-Note that
+This seems to "work", i.e., the integrals are then returned
+unevaluated. However, I'd rather have axiom to use the linearity of
+the integral...  Note that
 
 \begin{axiom}
 integrate(exp(-x^2)+sin(x),x)
 \end{axiom}
 
-is an example for an integral where 'coef0' does not vanish but 'notelm' does. So the more drastic change::
+is an example for an integral where 'coef0' does not vanish but
+'notelm' does. So the more drastic change::
 
           if ~ans1.sol? then         -- Risch d.e. has no complete solution
                missing := a - ans1.right
@@ -8711,46 +3543,24 @@ integrate(exp(x)/x+1/x,x)
 
 Although $1/x$ is certainly elementary, and so is its integral, the bug manifests itself.
 
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+Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:56:53 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:56:53 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#198 integrate(sin(x**2),x) is not handled ] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/198IntegrateSinX2XIsNotHandled/diff
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-There is another issue I don't quite understand. Currently axiom returns the whole integral unevaluated if it does not manage to evaluate it completely. If it were not for the bug #199, the following were an example:
+There is another issue I don't quite understand. Currently axiom
+returns the whole integral unevaluated if it does not manage to
+evaluate it completely. If it were not for the bug #199, the following
+were an example:
+
 \begin{axiom}
 integrate(exp(x)/x+exp(-x^2)+1/log(x),x)
 \end{axiom}
 
-Although axiom  produces the intermediate result 'integrate(exp(x)/x+exp(-x^2),x)+li(x)', it discards it. The responsible line of code is in 'rinteg$FSINT' ::
+Although axiom produces the intermediate result
+'integrate(exp(x)/x+exp(-x^2),x)+li(x)', it discards it. The
+responsible line of code is in 'rinteg$FSINT' ::
 
     rinteg(i, f, x, h, comp) ==
       not elem? i => integral(f, x)$F
@@ -8759,81 +3569,30 @@ Although axiom  produces the intermediate result 'integrate(exp(x)/x+exp(-x^2),x
 
 Does this make sense?
 
-Martin
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+\start
+Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:32:28 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:32:28 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [#193 Symbolic values (without variables) are not
-	ordered properly in 'EXPR INT'] same for 'AlgebraicNumber'
+Subject: [#193 Symbolic values (without variables) are not ordered properly in 'EXPR INT'] same for 'AlgebraicNumber'
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/193SymbolicValuesWithoutVariablesAreNotOrderedProperlyInEXPRINT/diff
---
-The same problem exists in 'AN'. Although the test for zero in this domain is mathematical, we have
+The same problem exists in 'AN'. Although the test for zero in this
+domain is mathematical, we have
 
 \begin{axiom}
 sqrt(2)<sqrt(3/2)
 \end{axiom}
 
-Note that the domain 'RealClosure' is designed to handle such things. Also, the test for zero in 'RECLOS' is faster than in 'AN'. So, wouldn't it be appropriate to make 'AN' a wrapper for 'RECLOS FRAC INT'? Of course, the appropriate conversion routines would have to be written, but this would be quite easy.
+Note that the domain 'RealClosure' is designed to handle such
+things. Also, the test for zero in 'RECLOS' is faster than in
+'AN'. So, wouldn't it be appropriate to make 'AN' a wrapper for
+'RECLOS FRAC INT'? Of course, the appropriate conversion routines
+would have to be written, but this would be quite easy.
 
-Martin
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+\start
+Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:09:29 +0200
+From: Magnus Larsson
 To: list
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:09:29 +0200
-  charset="iso-8859-1"
-Cc: 
 
 On Wednesday 17 August 2005 18.15, Kai Kaminski wrote:
 > Hi,
@@ -8845,14 +3604,6 @@ On Wednesday 17 August 2005 18.15, Kai Kaminski wrote:
 >
 > There is also a README with instructions. It should be as easy as
 > starting a shell script.
->
-> Kai
->
->
-> _______________________________________________
-> Axiom-developer mailing list
-> Axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
 
 Hello Kai Kaminski,
 
@@ -8865,44 +3616,13 @@ when return was pressed after an expression was entered.
 
 Firefox worked fine though.
 
-Best regards,
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+Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:30:31 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
-	<200508211309.30273.magnus.larsson.k@bredband.net>
-From: Kai Kaminski
-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:30:31 +0200
-	Larsson's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:09:29 +0200")
-Cc: list
 
-Magnus Larsson <magnus.larsson.k@bredband.net> writes:
+Magnus Larsson writes:
 
 > Your axiomUI works for me. I am using GNU CLISP 2.34 and Axiom 3.9 (September 
 > 2005).
@@ -8917,36 +3637,11 @@ not very standards compliant. I'll see what I can do.
 > Firefox worked fine though.
 That's good. Have you installed the proper fonts for jsMath or not?
 
-Cheers,
-Kai
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 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:00:54 +0200
 From: Ralf Hemmecke
 To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: Unit package question
-Cc: list
 
 I would rather suggest to write a package
 
@@ -9265,36 +3960,12 @@ C Y wrote:
 > there's the whole issue of errors introduced by the CAS itself, due to
 > precision limits and such. But that's for another day.
 
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+Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:33:59 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:33:59 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#196 )set functions compile on] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/196SetFunctionsCompileOn/diff
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 Another manifestation is reported by Kai Kaminski:
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -9303,36 +3974,11 @@ addx x == ((y: Integer): Integer +-> x + y)
 g := addx 10
 \end{axiom}
 
-Martin
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 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:34:27 +0200
+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: Re: Function definition crashes Axiom
-Cc: list
 
 This is the same as bug #165 and #196. I'll add it there. Would be great if you
 could fix that :-)
@@ -9355,44 +4001,12 @@ Kai Kaminski writes:
  > built on Ubuntu 5.04. I'm pretty sure that I haven't modified the
  > source code prior to compiling it, but I'll rebuild it to be sure, if
  > noone else has this problem.
- > 
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+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Ralf Hemmecke
 Subject: Re: Unit package question
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-Cc: list
 
 Dear Ralf, CY,
 
@@ -9457,40 +4071,14 @@ Units(R: Field): Exports == Implementation where
 
     coerce x == coerce((x::Rep).expr)$R * coerce((x::Rep).units)$U
 
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-From: Magnus Larsson <magnus.larsson.k@bredband.net>
-To: Kai Kaminski <Kai Kaminski>
-Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:02:11 +0200
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+From: Magnus Larsson
+To: Kai Kaminski
+Subject: Re: AxiomUI code
 
 On Monday 22 August 2005 09.30, Kai Kaminski wrote:
-> Magnus Larsson <magnus.larsson.k@bredband.net> writes:
+> Magnus Larsson writes:
 > > Your axiomUI works for me. I am using GNU CLISP 2.34 and Axiom 3.9
 > > (September 2005).
 >
@@ -9511,36 +4099,12 @@ I used jsMath fonts.
 Best regards,
 Magnus Larsson
 
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+Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:44:46 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:44:46 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [FrontPage] integration
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/FrontPage/diff
---
 the function f(x,y) = 12xy(1-y) for 0<x<1, 0<y<1
 
 the condition of inequality (x-y)> (1/2)
@@ -9557,52 +4121,12 @@ In[2]:=Integrate[12*x*y*(1-y)*Boole[x-y>1/2],{y,0,1},{x,0,1}]
 Maple:
 Doubleint(12*x*y*(1-y)*Heaviside(x-y-1/2),x=0..1,y=0..1);
 
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+Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:17:36 +0100
 From: Peter Broadbery
 To: Tim Daly
-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:17:36 +0100
-Cc: list
 Subject: Re: Axiom/aldor interface code
 
-
---=-gSIb34c7BTjmb4KTBUPy
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 Hi Tim,
 
 Finally managed to get the interface running and building from pamphlets
@@ -10320,37 +4844,10 @@ dSfo1GA5/Zx+Tj+nn9PP6ef0c/o5/Zx+Tj+nn9PP6ef0c/o5/Zx+Tj+nn9PP6ef0c/o5/Zx+jv/5
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+From: Tim Daly
 To: Peter Broadbery
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 Subject: aldor patches
 
 Pete,
@@ -10428,38 +4925,10 @@ In any case, I'm happy to see you didn't include a patch which rewrote
 all of the Makefiles into one big Makefile. I'm old and my heart would
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+From: Tim Daly
 To: Peter Broadbery
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 Subject: aldor patches
 
 Pete,
@@ -10487,46 +4956,10 @@ where appropriate.
 
 more questions to follow...
 
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 To: Tim Daly
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 Subject: Re: aldor patches
 
 
@@ -10621,48 +5054,11 @@ On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:01 -0500, Tim Daly wrote:
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 On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:06 -0500, Tim Daly wrote:
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 > I would rather suggest to write a package
 > 
@@ -10926,43 +5289,11 @@ in Maxima was to define an "order of searching" for derived dimensions,
 and then reduce all expressions internally to base units for the
 search.  I don't know the best way to approach this in Axiom.
 
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 Dear C Y,
 
@@ -11119,35 +5450,11 @@ convert from such a form into Force could lead to problems. Anyway, such
 a Metadomain would know about combinations of the basic domains and you 
 have a Unit domain again which knows about all units.
 
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 Dear all,
 
@@ -11410,41 +5717,11 @@ a / b
 
 where a is of domain Mass and b of domain Time...
 
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 > Dear C Y,
 > 
@@ -11479,49 +5756,16 @@ Units depend on Dimensions and define its units in terms of Dimensions.
 probably make things like dimensional analysis much simpler.
 
 > Anyway, such a Metadomain would know about combinations of the 
-> basic domains and you have a Unit domain again which knows about 
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 Hello Clifford,
 
@@ -11584,35 +5828,11 @@ Well, yes, but as far as I understand you want to distinguish the type
 of the units (length, time, mass, etc.). So maybe the metadomain 
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 C Y writes:
 
@@ -11676,36 +5896,11 @@ case, whether Aldor becomes free or not.
 
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 Hello Clifford,
 
@@ -11831,39 +6026,11 @@ written out in decimal form that I have ever seen in my life was
 rational. Maybe there is someone who knows of two units that are in 
 irrational correspondence. What about a \pi meter?
 
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 Very interesting topic, which I have been following.
 
@@ -12010,45 +6177,11 @@ as POLY FLOAT.
 These are just some beginning thoughts, which certainly need serious critique
 from all.
 
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 Ralf Hemmecke writes:
  > Hello Clifford,
@@ -12066,37 +6199,11 @@ Furthermore, I think that we should also ask him to "freeze" the Aldor
 spezification. That is: Anything that calls itself Aldor should be an
 implementation of the grammar described in the Aldor User Guide.
 
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 Ralf Hemmecke writes:
 
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 So very probably, one should somehow allow for an additional scalar factor of
 type Expression Integer...
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package question
 
 > Hello Clifford,
 > 
@@ -12367,52 +6444,24 @@ knowledge of Axiom is too limited to know what the good mappings are -
 hopefully that will emerge.  I'm pretty sure there IS a good mapping -
 it just needs to be hammered out :-).
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
 To: William Sit
 Subject: Re: Unit package question
-	<430B37A7.9A2547D7@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
-Cc: list
 
 William Sit writes:
 
- > The complications of units come from the conversion factors, which are generally
- > floating point numbers (and dimensionless). This would be ok if we only deal
- > with numerical quantities. For symbolic quantities, it is the dimensions that
- > are more important and conversion factors (not to be confused with universal
- > physical constants) are seldom used, and universal physical constants are often
- > denoted by a symbol (such as "g" for acceleration due to gravity) without units.
- > Thus we should leave symbolic computed expressions alone (that is, in the set S,
- > even though it is actually in some domain of UnitSystem(S), see below).
+ > The complications of units come from the conversion factors, which
+ > are generally floating point numbers (and dimensionless). This
+ > would be ok if we only deal with numerical quantities. For symbolic
+ > quantities, it is the dimensions that are more important and
+ > conversion factors (not to be confused with universal physical
+ > constants) are seldom used, and universal physical constants are
+ > often denoted by a symbol (such as "g" for acceleration due to
+ > gravity) without units.  Thus we should leave symbolic computed
+ > expressions alone (that is, in the set S, even though it is
+ > actually in some domain of UnitSystem(S), see below).
  
 ...
 
@@ -12426,9 +6475,9 @@ William Sit writes:
 
 This would not allow for Length/Time
 
- > We need a way to include universal constants, the notation of which depends on
- > the set S.
- > 
+ > We need a way to include universal constants, the notation of which
+ > depends on the set S.
+
  > if S has Field then
  >   unitAcceleration(dv:%, t:%):% == [dv/t, "Acceleration"]$Rep
  >   if S has RetractableTo(Symbol) then
@@ -12439,52 +6488,21 @@ This would not allow for Length/Time
  > %:UnitSystem instead of a symbol g.
 
 
-This is a nice idea. However, very probably we also need the case of S being
-Fraction Integer. So, as I said in my previous post, we may need to allow for a
-scalar factor of domain EXPR INT to accomodate constants which cannot be thrown
-into S, thus we'd have
+This is a nice idea. However, very probably we also need the case of S
+being Fraction Integer. So, as I said in my previous post, we may need
+to allow for a scalar factor of domain EXPR INT to accomodate
+constants which cannot be thrown into S, thus we'd have
 
   Rep:= Record(value:S, constant: Constant, dim:Dimension)
 
-where Constant would be something like Fraction Polynomial Integer, with all
-coefficients equal to one...
-
-Martin
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+where Constant would be something like Fraction Polynomial Integer,
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@@ -12503,50 +6521,11 @@ Sorta like Java - in order to use the Java trademark Sun insists you
 qualify as Java according to the specs?  Sounds good to me!  Is Aldor
 trademarked?
 
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@@ -12617,41 +6596,11 @@ OutputForm;and one should adhere to the standards as given by:
 
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 > Very interesting topic, which I have been following.
 > 
@@ -12788,47 +6737,12 @@ available dimensions?
 
 Just curious - lord knows I'm not informed enough to critique :-).
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package question
 
---- William Sit wrote:
-> 
 > Martin Rubey wrote:
 > > This would not allow for Length/Time
 > 
@@ -12878,46 +6792,11 @@ Absolutely agree.  In fact, we should incorporate that document and/or
 other relevant documentation into our eventual coding of the output
 logic for units, IMO.
 
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@@ -13267,41 +7146,11 @@ diffusivity offhand?) Given the number of unit systems and the number of
 physical quantities, I would opt for not having to know them except the system
 names, or just MYUnitSystem.
 
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 Correction: the unit of Force should be slug cm /hr^2 in the above example. lb
 is already a unit of force in the US system.
 
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 > That is no problem at all. A user can create his/her own unit 
 > system domain by modifying the implemented code for SI or CGS, or 
@@ -13494,44 +7314,11 @@ about it a bit.)
 OK, gotta run to a dinner appointment - I'll reply to the second half
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@@ -13785,37 +7572,10 @@ The user is often the subject matter expert. Let him or her deal with it.
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 Dinner bell just rung for me too. Thanks for the discussions.
 
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 CY,
@@ -13827,38 +7587,10 @@ we develop the specific domains. I'm picturing a diagram
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+From: Tim Daly
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 CY,
@@ -13895,38 +7627,10 @@ a chapter in the Programmer's Guide in the axiom--book--1 tree.
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 CY,
@@ -13937,39 +7641,12 @@ the same thing. This was done to make the Aldor and Axiom syntax
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+Cc: Bill Page
 
 Kai,
 
@@ -13977,38 +7654,10 @@ I believe you should try to do the Dr. Dobbs article. Publication is a
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 Bill,
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 > There is no one-to-one conversion from rational expressions of 
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@@ -14268,48 +7857,11 @@ I guess I would prefer to be able to either "use" the SI system, and
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 Fascinating discussion!
 
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 > Actually, we can even do better, without the user doing a
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@@ -14555,97 +8069,43 @@ Red flag!  Not close to 1 nm.  With autoscaling, the number would have
 stayed near one and the unit would have changed.  Sometimes useful, I
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-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
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-This is a trivial wrapper for the wonderful polymake package from Berlin, http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake/ .
-Note that this is rather a proof of concept, so if you think you've got a better design idea, go ahead and comment below.
-So far, only little of the polymake functionality is covered, but it's mostly very easy to extend.
+This is a trivial wrapper for the wonderful polymake package from
+Berlin, http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake/ .  Note that this is
+rather a proof of concept, so if you think you've got a better design
+idea, go ahead and comment below.  So far, only little of the polymake
+functionality is covered, but it's mostly very easy to extend.
 
 Usage
 
-  You can find some simple examples in [SandBox polymake]. There, you can also try it out online!
+  You can find some simple examples in [SandBox polymake]. There, you
+  can also try it out online!
 
 Design
 
-  I've decided to communicate with polymake for a start via file I/O, but would be easy to change this if necessary. Every polymake object created is stored with a "canonical" name: For example, if you ask for a cube of dimension 4, axiom will issue the shell command 'cube cube4.poly 4'. Then, when you ask for a property of this cube, for example, the hvector, then the shell command 'polymake cube4.poly H_VECTOR > tmp.poly' is issued. Finally axiom reads the contents of 'tmp.poly' and converts it to the appropriate type. Thus, the only thing that really has to be programmed is a conversion routine for every polymake type. Some of these are trivial, like the Boolean, vector or matrix types, some others need more thought.
-
-
-  Currently there are only two domains: 'Polytope' and 'SimplicialComplex'. If you want a particular polymake property or construction supported, or want to have a new domain like 'Graph', go ahead and change the contents of this file. If you need help, you can always ask me.
+  I've decided to communicate with polymake for a start via file I/O,
+  but would be easy to change this if necessary. Every polymake object
+  created is stored with a "canonical" name: For example, if you ask
+  for a cube of dimension 4, axiom will issue the shell command 'cube
+  cube4.poly 4'. Then, when you ask for a property of this cube, for
+  example, the hvector, then the shell command 'polymake cube4.poly
+  H_VECTOR > tmp.poly' is issued. Finally axiom reads the contents of
+  'tmp.poly' and converts it to the appropriate type. Thus, the only
+  thing that really has to be programmed is a conversion routine for
+  every polymake type. Some of these are trivial, like the Boolean,
+  vector or matrix types, some others need more thought.
+
+
+  Currently there are only two domains: 'Polytope' and
+  'SimplicialComplex'. If you want a particular polymake property or
+  construction supported, or want to have a new domain like 'Graph',
+  go ahead and change the contents of this file. If you need help, you
+  can always ask me.
 
 \begin{axiom}
 )abbrev domain POLYTOPE Polytope
@@ -14867,46 +8327,12 @@ SimplicialComplex(): Exports == Implementation where
 
         s pretend String :: Rep
 \end{axiom}
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 Peter,
 
@@ -14972,13 +8398,13 @@ receiving an updated version of your files.
 Thanks.
 
 On Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:38 AM you wrote:
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > NB: As expected, I missed a bunch of files and certain ones need
 > to have 'document' run on them explicitly - I'll try to prepare
 > a makefile which explicitly does the document thing first;
 > attrib.as.head.pamphlet contains a minor error in the
 > \author line; & should be a comma or something.
->=20
+>
 
 Regards,
 Bill Page.
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 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [polymake] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
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-
 Let's try it out:
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -15395,132 +8792,33 @@ c4:=cube 4
 hVector c4
 \end{axiom}
 
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+\start
+Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:41:23 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:41:23 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [polymake] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
---
-
-??changed:
--        f := open(("tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
         f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
-
-??changed:
--        f := open(("tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
         f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
-
-??changed:
--        f := open(("tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
         f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system cube " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/cube " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system cross " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/cross " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system rand01 " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand01 " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system rand__sphere " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand__sphere " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F__VECTOR > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F2__VECTOR > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F2__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly H__VECTOR > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly H__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
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--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly FACETS > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly FACETS > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly VERTICES > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly VERTICES > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
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--        systemCommand("system polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly SIMPLE > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly SIMPLE > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        f := open(("tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
         f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
-
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--        systemCommand("system polymake -A topaz " (s::Rep) ".top FACETS > tmp.poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake -A topaz " (s::Rep) ".top FACETS > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
-
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system boundary__complex " (s pretend String) ".top " (s pretend String) ".poly")_
         systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/boundary__complex " (s pretend String) ".top " (s pretend String) ".poly")_
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Page, Bill writes:
@@ -15569,34 +8867,10 @@ numbers.
 I grepped my polymake directory for "Illegal instruction" but got no
 match. Where does this come from?
 
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 To: list
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 Subject: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
 
 Dear all,
@@ -15691,42 +8965,10 @@ that there will be anything around that does not have rational vertices.
 
 So what do you think?
 
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 From: Bill Page
 To: Martin Rubey
-Cc: list
 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Martin,
@@ -15738,7 +8980,7 @@ On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:23 AM you wrote:
 > > polymake SOCKET_FILE
 > > polymake HOSTNAME:PORT
 > >
->=20
+>
 > Yes, but I have no idea how to use sockets from an axiom domain.
 > Do you? If so, go ahead and show me a simple example. I can then
 > adapt the domain.
@@ -15752,13 +8994,13 @@ very soon with gcl-2.6.7 and Peter Broadbery's work on Aldor.
 When that is done that I will be able to give you an example
 of sockets in Axiom.
 
->=20
+>
 > > BTW, I think there may be a problem with one of the constructors:
 > >
 > > $ /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand_sphere randsp.poly 2 3
 > > Illegal instruction
 > > $
->=20
+>
 > Hm, on my machine here it works just fine... Except that I need to
 > parametrize the domain, to allow for polytopes with vertices being
 > floats or rational numbers.
@@ -15782,10 +9024,10 @@ rand_sphere randsp.poly 2 3
 
 what are the contents of the randsp.poly file?
 
->=20
+>
 > I grepped my polymake directory for "Illegal instruction" but got
 > no match. Where does this come from?
->=20
+>
 
 This is an error message from the linux operating system indicating
 that the program tried to execute an illegal machine instruction (i.e.
@@ -15796,35 +9038,10 @@ error.
 This problem might be solved if we could just re-compile the programs
 from source code.
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Hi Bill,
@@ -15901,49 +9118,16 @@ Yes. but the developers themselves say that this is at least very time
 consuming, if you don't have enough memory on your machine. Well, I guess you
 have...
 
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+To: Martin Rubey
+Subject: RE: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
 
 Martin,
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:49 AM you wrote:
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > Now the problem is as follows: the type of the elements of the
 > matrix depends on the polytope. For some polytopes, they are
 > Integers, for others rationals or floats, or both.
@@ -15968,7 +9152,7 @@ Integer)
 but note that for some reason
 
 (11) -> x: TwoDimensionalArray Union (Integer, Float, Fraction Integer)
-:=3Dnew(2,2,0)
+:=new(2,2,0)
 
    (1)  [0,0,0,0]
           Type: TwoDimensionalArray Union(Integer,Float,Fraction
@@ -15986,91 +9170,59 @@ I think there are two possible bug reports here:
 
 Do you agree?
 
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 From: Bill Page
 To: Martin Rubey
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 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Martin,
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:00 AM you wrote:
->=20
+>
 > lot of traffic today, eh?
->=20
+>
 
 Yah, we're making up for lost time. :)
 
 > I wrote:
 >  >
 >  > I don't understand what you mean by "parameterize the domain".
->=20
+>
 > The polymake domain currently has
->=20
+>
 >      vertices: % -> Matrix Integer
->=20
+>
 > This cannot work, since the vertices are not always integers.
 > See my other post.
 
 Yes, I understand. But this is a separate problem. The problem
 that I mention below is a program abort in a polymake constructor.
 
->=20
->=20
+>
+>
 >  > On your computer if you type:
 >  >
 >  > rand_sphere randsp.poly 2 3
 >  >
 >  > what are the contents of the randsp.poly file?
->=20
+>
 > depends on the seed, obviously...
->=20
+>
 > _application polytope
 > _version 2.1.0
 > _type RationalPolytope
->=20
+>
 > AMBIENT_DIM
 > 2
->=20
+>
 > POINTS
 > 1 -0.063018 -0.998012
 > 1 0.840255 0.542191
 
 On the axiom-developer server the result is just "Illegal instruction".
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > might it be that you got the wrong RPM?
 >
 
@@ -16079,7 +9231,7 @@ systems.
 
 > > This problem might be solved if we could just re-compile the
 > > programs from source code.
->=20
+>
 > Yes. but the developers themselves say that this is at least very
 > time consuming, if you don't have enough memory on your machine.
 > Well, I guess you have...
@@ -16091,43 +9243,11 @@ a couple of hours?
 Anyway as far as I can tell, there are some errors in the polymake
 source code. I would be glad to discuss this with the developers.
 
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+Subject: Re: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
 
 I am jumping in here, so excuse me if comments are out of context.
 
@@ -16155,34 +9275,11 @@ matrices.
 
 Seems like a bug.
 
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 Page, Bill writes:
  > I think there are two possible bug reports here:
@@ -16204,42 +9301,11 @@ common supertype is asking for quite a lot and is probably error prone.
 
 Yes.
 
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+Subject: RE: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
 
 William,
 
@@ -16250,7 +9316,7 @@ On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:03 AM William Sitt wrote:
 > >
 > > 1) Union ( list of alternatives that are coercible to some ring )
 > >    should be a RING
->=20
+>
 > No! In your case, where the arguments of the union form an ascending
 > chain of rings, that would be true. In general, you cannot do
 arithmetic
@@ -16260,83 +9326,31 @@ INT).
 You are right. I was wrong. I didn't stop to think about it long enough.
 Thanks.
 
->=20
+>
 > The best one can do in Martin's case would be, as you noted,
->=20
+>
 >    Union(MATRIX INT, MATRIX FRAC INT, MATRIX FLOAT)
->=20
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 Yes, that seems workable to me.
 
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-Subject: [#200 display of TwoDimensionalArray of type
-	Union(...) is not properly formatted] (new) 
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-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/200DisplayOfTwoDimensionalArrayOfTypeUnionIsNotProperlyFormatted/diff
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 For example:
 \begin{axiom}
 n:TwoDimensionalArray Union ( Integer, Float):=new(2,2,0)
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 should display a rectangular array of numbers.
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 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Page, Bill writes:
@@ -16377,43 +9391,14 @@ Pentium architecture used in SuSE by default, i586 is optimized for Pentium 4,
 and athlon for AMD Athlon XP. Be sure to pick the package most suitable to your
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 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:38 AM I wrote:
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > I will download and install the i586 version and see if that corrects
 > the problem.
 >
@@ -16439,79 +9424,47 @@ POINTS
 BOUNDED
 1
 
-[root@axiom-developer page]#=20
+[root@axiom-developer page]#
 
 ------
 
 So it's over to you to solve the result data type problem.
 
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 Subject: RE: Polymake needs permission to write a file
 
 Martin,
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:21 AM you wrote:
->=20
+>
 > Page, Bill writes:
->=20
+>
 >  > I don't think so. The developers only provide one rpm file for
 linux
 >  > systems.
->=20
+>
 > No: Quoting http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/polymake/download_choice.html
->=20
+>
 > Binary packages for RedHat, SuSE, and other Linux distributions with
 > RPM-based software management
->=20
+>
 > End user package
 > polymake-2.1.0-2.athlon.rpm 10046242 20:32 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > polymake-2.1.0-2.i586.rpm 8716518 19:53 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > polymake-2.1.0-2.i686.rpm 9995110 21:11 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > Developer package
 > polymake-devel-2.1.0-2.athlon.rpm 878609 20:32 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > polymake-devel-2.1.0-2.i586.rpm 934404 19:53 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 > polymake-devel-2.1.0-2.i686.rpm 877174 21:11 Jan 21 2005
->=20
+>
 
 Yes, for different *hardware* but not different versions of linux.
 
@@ -16535,51 +9488,17 @@ Did you install the i586 version?
 I will download and install the i586 version and see if that corrects
 the problem.
 
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+To: Kai Kaminski
+Subject: AxiomUI graphics (was: [Zaheda Bhorat] SOC Project Articles for Doctor Dobbs Journal)
+Cc: Bob McElrath
 
 Kai,
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:02 AM I wrote:
->=20
+>
 > > ...
 > > 3. Change the high-level drawing code, so that instead of calling
 > >    the low-level drawing code it just prints the list lists of
@@ -16592,18 +9511,18 @@ On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:02 AM I wrote:
 > > and modified that. It actually seems to work. Right now I'm
 > > integrating this with the gui, so that on startup uidraw.spad gets
 > > loaded.
->=20
+>
 > Excellent. That is exactly the right way to proceed.
 >
 
 It occurs to me to ask if you are already familiar with the following
 Axiom commands:
 
-vp1:=3Ddraw(sin(x), x=3D%pi/10..%pi)
-g1:=3DgetGraph(vp1,1)
+vp1:=draw(sin(x), x=%pi/10..%pi)
+g1:=getGraph(vp1,1)
 pointLists(g1)
 ...
-g2:=3DmakeGraphImage(lineSegments, lineColors, pointColors, lineSize)
+g2:=makeGraphImage(lineSegments, lineColors, pointColors, lineSize)
 pointLists(g2)
 
 See for example
@@ -16612,37 +9531,12 @@ http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomGraphics
 
 Perhaps uidraw is producing output similar to this?
 
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+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Bill Page
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 Bill Page writes:
@@ -16679,38 +9573,11 @@ approach. The problem with this is that it messes up the history.
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@@ -17095,50 +9908,11 @@ Definitely. We can have a nanosytem domain, and other domains of UnitSystem(S)
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 --- William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -18104,51 +10675,11 @@ accomidate it.
 
 Heh - well, that's certainly fair enough :-).
 
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-Thread-Topic: Re: aldor patches
-Thread-Index: AcWo2FYA5ERDOPaTQliuHjsH3xl90gAGFlzQ
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+To: Peter Broadbery
+Subject: Re: aldor patches
 
 Peter,
 
@@ -18158,19 +10689,19 @@ On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:19 PM you wrote:
 > >   Aldor code
 > >   \end{aldor}
 > >
->=20
+>
 > This ought to work, but not immediately; One problem may be compiling
 > several aldor stanzas together - in this case you need to be able to
 > refer to earlier stanzas within the aldor block.
->=20
+>
 > Eg:
->=20
+>
 > \begin{aldor}
-> 	AldorCat: Category =3D=3D with { funstuff }
+> 	AldorCat: Category == with { funstuff }
 > \end{aldor}
->=20
+>
 > \begin{aldor}
-> 	AldorDomain: AldorCat with { ... } =3D=3D add { ... }
+> 	AldorDomain: AldorCat with { ... } == add { ... }
 > \end{aldor}
 >
 
@@ -18210,14 +10741,14 @@ to Axiom commands? Can more than one .ao file be generate per run
 of the Aldor compiler? Is it sufficient if they are saved in the
 current working directory?
 
->=20
+>
 > >
 > > In the log file you will note that the make failes starting
 > > at this point:
 > >
 > > ...
 > > /home/page/repository/axiom--main--1/src/aldor/Make.rules:31:
->=20
+>
 > Yes, this is due to me not testing stuff terribly well.  I've sent Tim
 a
 > new .tgz - appended below.
@@ -18859,41 +11390,11 @@ b3IvZGVwX3NwYWQuc3RhbXBdIEVycm9yIDIKbWFrZVsxXTogTGVhdmluZyBkaXJlY3RvcnkgYC9o
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+Subject: Re: Unit package question
 
 Axiom Developers;
 
@@ -18907,101 +11408,17 @@ http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/UnitsAndDimensions
 The authors (and other interested parties!) are invited to review
 these wiki pages and update/correct/edit them as seems appropriate.
 New pages on this subject can also easily be added. I would like
-these pages to gradually evolve to reflect design decisions and
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-??changed:
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-generated by the TouchGraph navigator interface should give you
+Thanks everyone!
 
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+\start
+Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:13:00 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:13:00 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [MathAction] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/MathAction/diff
---
-
-??changed:
--Web Site
--
--  The !MathAction development home page is --
--  http://page.axiom-developer.org
--
--  The Axiom Portal is at --
--  http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/Plone
--
--  This web site is --
--  http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction
--
--  The test and development version of !MathAction is --
--  http://test.axiom-developer.org
--
--  The development repository (darcs) for !MathAction is --
--  MathActionRepository
 !TouchGraph Navigator
 
   MathAction has grown rapidly over the last year. This grpahic
@@ -19011,27 +11428,6 @@ available here.
 
 <img src="/mathaction-now.png" />
 
-??changed:
--From unknown Thu Jul 28 06:11:53 -0500 2005
--From: unknown
--Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:11:53 -0500
--Subject: 
--Message-ID: <20050728061153-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>
--
--\begin{axiom}
--
--\end{axiom}
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--
--From unknown Thu Jul 28 06:12:16 -0500 2005
--From: unknown
--Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:12:16 -0500
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--Message-ID: <20050728061216-0500@page.axiom-developer.org>
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--\begin{axiom}
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   The !MathAction development home page is --
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   The development repository (darcs) for !MathAction is --
   MathActionRepository
 
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-Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
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-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -19222,46 +11589,11 @@ good training.)  For "real world" use, that case is not terribly
 useful, and Axiom is definitely not focused on introductory student
 problems :-).
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -19322,46 +11654,11 @@ is one of the real benefits of a system like Axiom - it forces you to
 think deeply about what you are really trying to do.  (Or at least, to
 work at understanding others who are up to the deep thinking ;-)
 
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-Cc: 
 
 --- Bill Page wrote:
 
@@ -19391,49 +11688,11 @@ archive is stable and readily available it would probably be cleaner to
 focus the wiki page on the actual workable design related emails, with
 links to the discussion tree for other stuff.)
 
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+Subject: RE: Unit package question
 
 C Y,
 
@@ -19444,7 +11703,7 @@ C Y,
 > > New pages on this subject can also easily be added. I would like
 > > these pages to gradually evolve to reflect design decisions and
 > > trial code segments as this package is developed.
->=20
+>
 
 On Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:20 PM you asked:
 
@@ -19460,7 +11719,7 @@ history - except perhaps for attribution of relevant ideas to
 original authors etc. This usually means that some (now irrelevant)
 parts of the discussion, proposals and experimental code should
 actually be deleted after the direction is clear and more
-well-advanced.=20
+well-advanced.
 
 > (I must confess I'm not really sure how archiving of Axiom's
 > email system works, since I just save most of them myself on
@@ -19502,45 +11761,19 @@ can quickly understand the main points (that what the wiki pages
 are good for), rather than just record the complete and verbose
 history (that's what the dumb archives are good for).
 
->=20
+>
 > Good idea!
->=20
+>
 
 Thanks. I hope that it helps your project. Please feel free to
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 purposes. :)
 
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 Subject: Re: Axiom Design Question / Polymake feedback
-	<430C8C2E.7B340E8C@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 
  > )abbrev domain POLYTOPE Polytope
  > Polytope(R: Ring): Exports == Implementation where
@@ -19570,34 +11803,10 @@ By the way, is there a reason for constructing a nullary function
 Polytop() instead of just the constant Polytope? (Sorry, I have not 
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 Subject: strict vs. fuzzy Axiom
 
 > C Y wrote:
@@ -19645,84 +11854,21 @@ provide enough information.
 One approach could be like that...
 http://www-sop.inria.fr/cafe/Manuel.Bronstein/sumit/sumitdoc/node628.html
 
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [SymbolicIntegration] integrate(exp(x)/x^2)
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/SymbolicIntegration/diff
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 Axiom does not perform the integration (while it perform the integration of exp(x)/x ), but the integration can be given in terms of Ei(x)
 
 integrate(exp(x)/x^2,x)  -->  Ei(x)-exp(x)/x 
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+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:51:26 +0100
 From: Peter Broadbery
 To: Bill Page
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:51:26 +0100
-Cc: list
+Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
 
 On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 17:48 -0400, Page, Bill wrote:
 > Peter,
@@ -19849,44 +11995,12 @@ Once to run document on everything, then for the dependency graphs, and
 then once more to build the library.  However, this may well still need
 a more recent make.
 
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 From: MathAction (Stefano Simonucci)
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 Subject: [Axiom-mail] Non elementary integration 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 Hi.
 In the axiom manual I find
 
@@ -19915,88 +12029,32 @@ integrate(exp(x)/x^2,x) --> Ei(x)-exp(x)/x
 But from the manual I deduce that exp(x)/x^2  can be prooved not 
 elementary integrable. Why  exp(x)/x  is integrable while  exp(x)/x^2 not?
 
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+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:07:38 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:07:38 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [other Computer Algebra systems] Derive
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems/diff
---
-Except for Reduce (by the kind permission of it's author) we do not have any commerical software on MathAction. I did approach both MapleSoft (Maple developers) and Wolfram (Mathematica developers) to see if they would provide a copy of their software and allow us to integrate it here on MathAction. But so far Maplesoft has officially (but respectfully) declined and Wolfram did not even reply to my email.
+Except for Reduce (by the kind permission of it's author) we do not
+have any commerical software on MathAction. I did approach both
+MapleSoft (Maple developers) and Wolfram (Mathematica developers) to
+see if they would provide a copy of their software and allow us to
+integrate it here on MathAction. But so far Maplesoft has officially
+(but respectfully) declined and Wolfram did not even reply to my
+email.
 
-Apparently Derive is only available for Windows systems. Development of Derive seems to have essentially stopped.
+Apparently Derive is only available for Windows systems. Development
+of Derive seems to have essentially stopped.
 
-How much does Derive cost? What are it's significant features compared to Axiom? Maple? Mathematica?
+How much does Derive cost? What are it's significant features compared
+to Axiom? Maple? Mathematica?
 
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+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:24:47 -0500
 From: MathAction (Martin Rubey)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:24:47 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom-mail] Non elementary integration 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 Dear Stefano,
 
 Stefano Simonucci writes:
@@ -20040,49 +12098,12 @@ http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/199IntegrateExpX2ExpXXX
 
 The first patch is hidden in a comment, you'll have to look for it.
 
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+Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:39:04 -0500
 From: MathAction (root)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:39:04 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [Axiom-mail] [Axiom-mail] Non elementary
-	integration
+Subject:  Non elementary integration
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
---
 Stefano,
 
 The key words are "elementary function". Some integration is done by
@@ -20095,44 +12116,11 @@ exp(x)/x^2 cannot be integrated into this form. Axiom does some
 integration by pattern matching and it appears that the pattern
 matcher does not know exp(x)/x^2
 
-Tim
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-Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
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-Thread-Topic: Re: aldor patches
-Thread-Index: AcWpa+4A3mByldZpS7GfVbfipOXd0wAEqM1w
 From: Bill Page
-To: "Peter Broadbery" Peter Broadbery
-Cc: list
+To: Peter Broadbery
+Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
 
 Executive Summary:
 
@@ -20140,17 +12128,17 @@ Executive Summary:
   but we are missing an include file named 'axiom...'
 
 On Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:51 AM Peter Broadbery wrote:
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > The only compiler output will be error messages from the compiler;
 > If you call the compiler via axiom (ie. ')co aldor-section.as'),
-> then an axiom prompt should be a perfectly good separator.=20
+> then an axiom prompt should be a perfectly good separator.
 >
 
 Ah, yes I see. That would be real easy for me to integrate with
 MathAction. If we *only* provide Aldor compilation via axiom
 (as opposed to directly calling the compiler) is this a significant
 limitation? Or is this the expected mode of interaction?
-=20
+
 > > The use of 'include' files above should handle this case, right?
 > >
 > Yep.
@@ -20166,7 +12154,7 @@ know the names of previous Aldor compiles return? Maybe this will
 be more clear once I actually have Aldor running inside Axiom and
 get a chance to play with it.
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > I'm using SuSE 9.2; the make version is 3.80 (you may have the
 > previous version; 3.80 was released in october 2002).
 
@@ -20212,7 +12200,7 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory
 
 ----------
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > the java program currently just spits out sets of mutually dependent
 > domains, and is just there to help make on its way.
 >
@@ -20220,12 +12208,12 @@ make[1]: Leaving directory
 In contrast to Tim Daly, I am very much in favor of this approach
 to building a complex system like Axiom. I would like to see this
 done in the Axiom build. But that is another story. :)
-=20
+
 > One way of simplifying matters would be to invoke 3 sequential
 > builds; Once to run document on everything, then for the dependency
 > graphs, and then once more to build the library.  However, this may
 > well still need a more recent make.
->=20
+>
 
 Yes, I upgraded to gnu make 3.8. That might well be a factor in
 the successful completion of your aldor/axiom build.
@@ -20307,43 +12295,12 @@ Oops. I seem to be missing an include file named 'axiom...'.
 Or maybe in the Patch-44 distribution it is looking in the
 wrong place. Where do I get that?
 
-Thanks for your help!
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-Regards,
-Bill Page.
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-Cc: 
-Subject: [other Computer Algebra systems] [other Computer
-	Algebra systems] Derive
+From: MathAction (Ed Borasky)
+To: MathAction
+Subject: [other Computer Algebra systems] [other Computer Algebra systems] Derive
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems/diff
---
 List price for Derive is about $200US and student price is about $100US. 
 Its core-level mathematical capabilities are equivalent to nearly every 
 "general" CAS out there, and anything you can implement in them can be 
@@ -20373,28 +12330,14 @@ that too ... :)
 
 Bill Page wrote:
 
->Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/OtherComputerAlgebraSystems/diff
->--
 >Except for Reduce (by the kind permission of it's author) we do not have any commerical software on MathAction. I did approach both MapleSoft (Maple developers) and Wolfram (Mathematica developers) to see if they would provide a copy of their software and allow us to integrate it here on MathAction. But so far Maplesoft has officially (but respectfully) declined and Wolfram did not even reply to my email.
 >
 >Apparently Derive is only available for Windows systems. Development of Derive seems to have essentially stopped.
 >
 >How much does Derive cost? What are it's significant features compared to Axiom? Maple? Mathematica?
->
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->
 
 -- 
-M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
+Ed Borasky
 
 http://www.borasky-research.net/
 http://borasky-research.blogspot.com/
@@ -20403,52 +12346,21 @@ http://pdxneurosemantics.com
 http://pdx-sales-coach.com
 http://algocompsynth.com
 
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+Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
 
 Peter,
 
 On Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:53 AM I wrote:
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 > Executive Summary:
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 >   The axiom/aldor build seems to have completed successfully
 >   but we are missing an include file named 'axiom...'
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 Ok, I followed step 2. from Martin's web page:
 
@@ -20471,10 +12383,10 @@ Bill Page.
 > > The problem seems to be that Make.functions hasn't been generated
 > > from Make.functions.pamphlet; if you do this manually, it'll get
 > > further.
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 > Yes that did it! The Aldor/Axiom build has now in the process of
 > compiling the Axiom library. What I did was the following:
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 >   1) Built Axiom from axiom--main--1--Patch-44
 >   2) cd src; tar xzvf src_aldor.tgz
 >   3) document Makefile.pamphlet
@@ -20482,581 +12394,25 @@ Bill Page.
 >   5) touch .../aldor/int/dep_spad.stamp
 >   6) document Make.functions.pamphlet
 >   7) make
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 > > However, this may well still need a more recent make.
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 > Yes, I upgraded to gnu make 3.8. That might well be a factor in
 > the successful completion of your aldor/axiom build.
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-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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--functions which you then can use in Axiom. Unfortunately, support for domains
--and packages is still buggy, but it's nearly working - thanks to Peter!
-functions which you then can use Axiom.
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-Support for domains and packages is now in the testing stage. The Axiom/Aldor
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-by Peter Broadbery. **Thanks Peter!** A new version of Axiom based on
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-MathAction.
+Support for domains and packages is now in the testing stage. The
+Axiom/Aldor interface has been updated for the open source version of
+Axiom (as of Patch-44) by Peter Broadbery. **Thanks Peter!** A new
+version of Axiom based on axiom--main--1--Patch-44 and Peter's
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-Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
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+\start
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-Cc: list
+From: Gregory Vanuxem
+To: Peter Broadbery
+Subject: RE: Re: aldor patches
 
 Le mercredi 24 ao=FBt 2005 =E0 19:19 +0100, Peter Broadbery a =E9crit :
 
->=20
+>
 > Yes, this is due to me not testing stuff terribly well.  I've sent Tim =
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@@ -21480,90 +12566,20 @@ I suppose this might be an odd question, but I was wondering if it was
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 Yes, it's possible. The book includes figures.
 see src/doc/book.pamphlet
 
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 Pamphlet files are latex files with three additional pieces of syntax:
 
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 Dear Andrey,
 
@@ -21815,36 +12780,7 @@ output. The object is stored there, you don't need to reconstruct it. Example:
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 --- Martin Rubey wrote:
 
@@ -21972,51 +12879,11 @@ behaviors would have to be defined, and some kind of mapping made
 between those mappings and mathematical behavior.  What a nifty
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 > 1. What is the correct file to put the definition and initialisation of 
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@@ -22263,39 +13130,11 @@ information is the lisp data structure.
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 C Y writes:
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 On August 26, 2005 4:00 PM Martin Rubey wrote:
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+Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:02:15 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [reading structures from a file] (nouveau) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ReadingStructuresFromAFile/diff
---
-This package provides operations that all take a filename and return an axiom structure which is supposed to be in some standard notation in this file. Geared towards polymake.
+This package provides operations that all take a filename and return
+an axiom structure which is supposed to be in some standard notation
+in this file. Geared towards polymake.
 
 \begin{axiom}
 )abbrev package READFILE ReadFile
@@ -22594,39 +13380,13 @@ ReadFile(): Exports == Implementation where
         close!(f)$TextFile
         reverse m
 \end{axiom}
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+Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:59:26 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:59:26 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [string conversions] (nouveau) 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/StringConversions/diff
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 Here is a package that converts strings to numbers. It is only to be considered as a starting point. There is no error checking, it is probably slow and certainly buggy...
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -22687,192 +13447,34 @@ Let's try it:
 \begin{axiom}
 coerce("123.12")@FRAC INT
 \end{axiom}
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+Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:03:40 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [reading structures from a file] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ReadingStructuresFromAFile/diff
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--This package provides operations that all take a filename and return an axiom structure which is supposed to be in some standard notation in this file. Geared towards polymake.
 This package provides operations that all take a filename and return an axiom structure which is supposed to be in some standard notation in this file. Geared towards polymake. Needs 'StringConversions'
 
 \begin{axiom}
 )lib STRCNV
 \end{axiom}
 
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-From: root Tim Daly
+From: Tim Daly
 To: Camm Maguire
-Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: gcl-2.6.7 and FC4
 
 GCL-2.6.7 fails to build on FC4.
 I'm trying to debug it now but I thought I'd mention it in case
 anyone already knows why.
 
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+Date: 26 Aug 2005 18:03:03 -0400
 To: Tim Daly
 From: Camm Maguire
-Date: 26 Aug 2005 18:03:03 -0400
-Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: gcl-2.6.7 and FC4
 
 Greetings!
@@ -22890,66 +13492,20 @@ root Tim Daly writes:
 > GCL-2.6.7 fails to build on FC4.
 > I'm trying to debug it now but I thought I'd mention it in case
 > anyone already knows why.
-> 
-> Tim
-> 
-> 
-> 
 
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-Camm Maguire			     			Camm Maguire
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+\start
+Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:56:01 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:56:01 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [polymake] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
---
-
-++added:
-
 \begin{axiom}
 )lib STRCNV READFILE
 \end{axiom}
 
-++added:
     Cardinal ==> NonNegativeInteger
     Scalar   ==> Fraction Integer
 
-
---removed:
--      facets: % -> Matrix Integer
--
--      vertices: % -> Matrix Integer
--
-
-++added:
       points: % -> Matrix Scalar
       ++ Points such that the polyhedron is their convex hull. Redundancies are
       ++ allowed. Vector (x0 x1 .. xd) represents a point in (d+1)-space
@@ -23017,9 +13573,6 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
       bounded: % -> Boolean 
       ++ True if the polyhedron is a bounded polytope. 
 
---      boundedGraph: % -> Graph 
---    ++ Graph of the bounded subcomplex. 
-
       centered: % -> Boolean 
       ++ True if (1,0,0,..) is a relative interior point. Polar to BOUNDED. 
 
@@ -23027,8 +13580,6 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
       ++ True if all vertices of the polyhedron have non-negative coordinates,
       ++ that is, it lies entirely in the positive orthant.
 
-
-++added:
       polydir: String := "/tmp/"
 
       polytmp: String := polydir "tmp.poly"
@@ -23037,28 +13588,6 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
 
       polytmpfile:FileName := polytmp::FileName
 
-
-??changed:
--      String2ListInteger: String -> List Integer
--      
--      String2ListInteger r ==
--        map(PARSE_-INTEGER(#1)$Lisp, split(r, char(" "))$String)_
--          $FiniteLinearAggregateFunctions2(String, List String, Integer, _
--                                           List Integer)
--
--      getBoolean: () -> Boolean
--
--      getBoolean ==
--        f := open(("/tmp/tmp.poly")::FileName)$TextFile
--        read!(f)$TextFile
--        r:String := read!(f)$TextFile
--        close!(f)$TextFile
--
--        (r="1")
--
--      getIntegerList: () -> List Integer
--
--[25 more lines...]
       polycons: (String, String, String) -> %
       polycons(rep, cmd, prm) ==
         systemCommand("system " polylib cmd " " polydir rep ".poly " prm)_
@@ -23067,29 +13596,11 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
 
       polyprop: (%, String) -> Void
       polyprop(rep, cmd) ==
-        systemCommand("system " polylib "polymake " polydir (rep::Rep) ".poly "_
+       systemCommand("system " polylib "polymake " polydir (rep::Rep) ".poly "_
                       cmd " > " polytmp)$MoreSystemCommands
 
-??changed:
--        s: String := "cube" string(n)
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/cube " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
--        s::Rep
         polycons("cube" string(n), "cube", string(n))
 
-??changed:
--        s: String := "cross" string(n)
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/cross " s ".poly " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
--        s::Rep
--
--      rand01(d, n)  == 
--        s: String := "rand01" string(d) string(n) 
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand01 " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
--        s::Rep
--
--      randSphere(d, n)  == 
--        s: String := "randsphere" string(d) string(n)
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/rand__sphere " s ".poly " string(d) " " string(n))$MoreSystemCommands
--        s::Rep
         polycons("cross" string(n), "cross", string(n))
 
       rand01(d, n) == 
@@ -23100,33 +13611,12 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polycons("randsphere" string(d) string(n), "rand__sphere", _
                  string(d) " " string(n))
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--      
--        getIntegerVector()
         polyprop(s, "F__VECTOR")
         getVectorInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly F2__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--      
--        getIntegerMatrix()
         polyprop(s, "F2__VECTOR")
         getMatrixInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly H__VECTOR > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--        
--        getIntegerVector()
--
--      facets s ==
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly FACETS > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--        
--        getIntegerMatrix()
         polyprop(s, "H__VECTOR")
         getVectorInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
@@ -23138,27 +13628,6 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polyprop(s, "POINTS")
         getMatrixFraction(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly VERTICES > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--        
--        getIntegerMatrix()
--
--      simple s == 
--        systemCommand("system /usr/local/polymake/bin/polymake " (s::Rep) ".poly SIMPLE > /tmp/tmp.poly")_
--          $MoreSystemCommands
--
--        getBoolean()
--
--)abbrev domain TOPAZ SimplicialComplex
--SimplicialComplex(): Exports == Implementation where
--    Exports == with
--
--      coerce: % -> OutputForm
--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----                  topaz constructions                                      --
--[59 more lines...]
         polyprop(s, "VERTICES")
         getMatrixFraction(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
@@ -23227,47 +13696,10 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polyprop(s, "POSITIVE")
         getBoolean(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
---removed:
--
-
-??changed:
--c4:=cube 4
--hVector c4
-c := cube 4
-systemCommand("system cat /tmp/cube4.poly")$MoreSystemCommands
-
-++added:
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+\start
 Date: 26 Aug 2005 23:36:54 -0400
-Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org
+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Juho Snellman
 Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: gcl-2.6.7 and FC4
 
 Greetings!
@@ -23299,7 +13731,7 @@ it would appear.
 Take care,
 
 
-Juho Snellman <jsnell@iki.fi> writes:
+Juho Snellman writes:
 
 > Tim Daly wrote:
 > > GCL-2.6.7 fails to build on FC4.
@@ -23329,50 +13761,12 @@ Juho Snellman <jsnell@iki.fi> writes:
 > 
 > -- 
 > Juho Snellman
-> 
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-Subject: JavaView - Interactive 3D Geometry and
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+From: Bill Page
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+Subject: JavaView - Interactive 3D Geometry and	Visualization
 
 http://www.javaview.de
 
@@ -23404,37 +13798,10 @@ on the use or duplication of the code.
 Does anyone know whether it might be possible to consider
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+From: Martin Rubey
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-Cc: list
 Subject: RE: Mathaction and polymake problem
 
 Sending this also to axiom-developer...
@@ -23476,41 +13843,11 @@ again!
 I talked a little with Ralf about the petition to free Aldor. I'll set up a
 page on MathAction to design an appropriate letter this weekend, I hope.
 
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 From: Andrey G. Grozin
 To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: steps towards better TeXmacs interface
-Cc: list
 
 On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, C Y wrote:
 > I think I know what Andrey is thinking about here.  Let's say we have
@@ -23535,45 +13872,14 @@ On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, C Y wrote:
 > desired subexpression and paste that to the input line.
 Yes. This is currently possible in TeXmacs/maxima (well, in most cases...)
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:25:46 -0500
 From: MathAction (kratt6)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:25:46 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [reading structures from a file] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ReadingStructuresFromAFile/diff
---
-
-++added:
       getFraction: FileName -> Fraction Integer
 
-
-++added:
-
       getFraction polytmpfile ==
         f := open(polytmpfile)$TextFile
         read!(f)$TextFile
@@ -23582,78 +13888,22 @@ Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/ReadingStructuresFromAFi
 
         coerce(r)$StringConversions
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:32:45 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:32:45 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [build Axiom] cvs problem
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/BuildAxiom/diff
---
 cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom
 nongnu.org: Operation timed out
 cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:29:21 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:29:21 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] link broken
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 Bill:
 
 The links to April-2005-Sources 
@@ -23662,40 +13912,12 @@ http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/
 
 and February-2005-Sources on this page are broken.
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:15:01 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:15:01 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] Re: link broken
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 William,
 
 I just tested and both of these links worked fine for me but they
@@ -23708,135 +13930,32 @@ using? What error message did you get?
 Anyway, I changed the links to remove the 'http:' prefix which seems
 to work better in some cases. Let me know if it works for you now.
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:11:01 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:11:01 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [AxiomDownload] Maybe a problem with http: prefix
-	without machine name
-
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
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+Subject: [AxiomDownload] Maybe a problem with http: prefix without machine name
 
-??changed:
--sources":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz&it=April+2005+Sources
 sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz&it=April+2005+Sources
 
-??changed:
--  * "February 2005 sources":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-20050201-src.tgz&it=February+2005+source+code
   * "February 2005 sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-20050201-src.tgz&it=February+2005+source+code
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:40:42 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:40:42 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] Works now
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 Thanks Bill. I was using Safari on a Mac OS X.
 
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+\start
+Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:30:33 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:30:33 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [polymake] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
---
-
-??changed:
--\begin{axiom}
 \begin{spad}
 
---removed:
--
--      fVector: % -> Vector Integer
--
--      f2Vector: % -> Matrix Integer
--
--      hVector: % -> Vector Integer
--
--      simple: % -> Boolean
-
-++added:
       nPoints: % -> Cardinal 
       ++ Number of points. 
 
@@ -23860,20 +13979,6 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
       ++ VERTICES, REL_INT_POINT); its inverse operates from the left on
       ++ hyperplane column vectors.
 
---      vertexLabels: % -> array<label> 
---      ++ Unique names assigned to the VERTICES. If specified, they are shown by
---      ++ visualization tools instead of vertex indices.  For a polytope build
---      ++ from scratch, you should create this property by yourself, either
---      ++ manually in a text editor, or with a client program. If you build a
---      ++ polytope with a construction client taking some other input
---      ++ polytope(s), you can create the labels automatically if you call the
---      ++ client with a -relabel option. The exact format of the labels is
---      ++ dependent on the construction, and is described by the corresponding
---      ++ client.
-
---      facetLabels: % -> array<label> 
---      ++ Unique names assigned to the FACETS, analogous to VERTEX_LABELS.
-
       galeTransform: % -> Matrix Scalar
       ++ Coordinates of the Gale transform.
 
@@ -23895,46 +14000,12 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
       nVertexFacetInc: % -> Cardinal 
       ++ Number of pairs of incident vertices and facets.
 
---      verticesInFacets: % -> incidence_matrix 
---      ++ Vertex-facet incidence matrix, with rows corresponding to facets and
---      ++ columns to vertices. Vertices and facets are numbered from 0 to
---      ++ N_VERTICES-1 rsp. N_FACETS-1, according to their order in VERTICES
---      ++ rsp. FACETS.
-
---      facetsThruVertices: % -> incidence_matrix 
---      ++ transposed VERTICES_IN_FACETS
-
---      hasseDiagram: % -> face_lattice 
---      ++ The face lattice of the polytope organized as a directed graph. Each
---      ++ node corresponds to some proper face of the polytope. The nodes
---      ++ corresponding to the vertices and facets appear in the same order as
---      ++ the elements of VERTICES and FACETS properties.  Two special nodes
---      ++ represent the whole polytope and the empty face.
-
---      vertexSizes: % -> array<Cardinal> 
---      ++ Number of incident facets for each vertex.
-
---      facetSizes: % -> array<Cardinal> 
---      ++ Number of incident vertices for each facet.
---
---      graph: % -> graph 
---      ++ Vertex-edge graph.
---
---      dualGraph: % -> graph 
---      ++ Facet-ridge graph. Dual to GRAPH.
-
       nEdges: % -> Cardinal 
       ++ Number of edges.
 
       nRidges: % -> Cardinal 
       ++ Number of ridges.
 
---      vertexDegrees: % -> array<Cardinal> 
---      ++ Degrees of vertices in the GRAPH.
-
---      facetDegrees: % -> array<Cardinal> 
---      ++ Degrees of facets in the DUAL_GRAPH.
-
       diameter: % -> Cardinal 
       ++ Graph theoretical diameter of GRAPH.
 
@@ -24037,54 +14108,16 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
 
       complexity: % -> Scalar 
 
-
-??changed:
--      polylib: String := "/usr/local/polymake/bin/"
       polylib: String := "/usr/local/polymake/bin"
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system " polylib cmd " " polydir rep ".poly " prm)_
         systemCommand("system " cmd " " polydir rep ".poly " prm)_
 
-??changed:
--        systemCommand("system " polylib "polymake " polydir (rep::Rep) ".poly "_
         systemCommand("system polymake " polydir (rep::Rep) ".poly "_
 
---removed:
--      fVector s ==
--        polyprop(s, "F__VECTOR")
--        getVectorInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
--
--      f2Vector s ==
--        polyprop(s, "F2__VECTOR")
--        getMatrixInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
--        
--      hVector s ==
--        polyprop(s, "H__VECTOR")
--        getVectorInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
--
--      simple s == 
--        polyprop(s, "SIMPLE")
--        getBoolean(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
--
-
-??changed:
--        map(#1 pretend Cardinal, getSetInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile)_
--           $FiniteSetAggregateFunctions2(Integer, Set Integer, 
--                                         Cardinal, Set Cardinal)
--
         getSetInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile pretend Set Cardinal
 
-??changed:
--        polyprop(s, "UNBOUNDED__FACETS")
--        map(#1 pretend Cardinal, getSetInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile)_
--           $FiniteSetAggregateFunctions2(Integer, Set Integer, 
--                                         Cardinal, Set Cardinal)
         polyprop(s, "UNBOUNDED__FACETS") 
-        getSetInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile pretend Set Cardinal
-
-??changed:
--\end{axiom}
+        getSetInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile pretend Set Cardinal
 
       nPoints s ==
         polyprop(s, "N__POINTS")
@@ -24110,10 +14143,6 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polyprop(s, "REVERSE__TRANSFORMATION")
         getMatrixFraction(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
 
---      vertexLabels: % -> array<label> 
-
---      facetLabels: % -> array<label> 
-
       galeTransform s ==
         polyprop(s, "GALE__TRANSFORM")
         getMatrixFraction(polytmpfile)$ReadFile
@@ -24140,34 +14169,6 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polyprop(s, "N__VERTEX__FACET__INC")
         getInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile :: Cardinal
 
---      verticesInFacets: % -> incidence_matrix 
---      ++ Vertex-facet incidence matrix, with rows corresponding to facets and
---      ++ columns to vertices. Vertices and facets are numbered from 0 to
---      ++ N_VERTICES-1 rsp. N_FACETS-1, according to their order in VERTICES
---      ++ rsp. FACETS.
-
---      facetsThruVertices: % -> incidence_matrix 
---      ++ transposed VERTICES_IN_FACETS
-
---      hasseDiagram: % -> face_lattice 
---      ++ The face lattice of the polytope organized as a directed graph. Each
---      ++ node corresponds to some proper face of the polytope. The nodes
---      ++ corresponding to the vertices and facets appear in the same order as
---      ++ the elements of VERTICES and FACETS properties.  Two special nodes
---      ++ represent the whole polytope and the empty face.
-
---      vertexSizes: % -> array<Cardinal> 
---      ++ Number of incident facets for each vertex.
-
---      facetSizes: % -> array<Cardinal> 
---      ++ Number of incident vertices for each facet.
---
---      graph: % -> graph 
---      ++ Vertex-edge graph.
---
---      dualGraph: % -> graph 
---      ++ Facet-ridge graph. Dual to GRAPH.
-
       nEdges s ==
         polyprop(s, "N__EDGES")
         getInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile :: Cardinal
@@ -24176,12 +14177,6 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polyprop(s, "N__RIDGES")
         getInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile :: Cardinal
 
---      vertexDegrees: % -> array<Cardinal> 
---      ++ Degrees of vertices in the GRAPH.
-
---      facetDegrees: % -> array<Cardinal> 
---      ++ Degrees of facets in the DUAL_GRAPH.
-
       diameter s ==
         polyprop(s, "DIAMETER")
         getInteger(polytmpfile)$ReadFile :: Cardinal
@@ -24286,38 +14281,10 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/Polymake/diff
         polyprop(s, "NEIGHBORLY")
 [75 more lines...]
 
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 make[1]: *** [srcsetup] Error 2
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 Hi William,
 
@@ -24514,85 +14458,10 @@ sockio.lisp.pamphlet). Compiling AXIOMsys would already allow using
 most of Axiom's functionality (everything but HyperDoc and Graphics
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 William,
@@ -24610,38 +14479,11 @@ figuring out how to get the tool chain working.
 
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+Subject: Re: axiom on Mac OSX
 
 Kai Kaminski wrote:
 > Besides most of it could be
@@ -24679,74 +14521,20 @@ MacOSX, files to force the compile to continue? or replacement files? (for a
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 Subject: [Axiom-mail] Lexicographic order
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 Hi all,
 
 Is there a smarter way than the following to write lexorder?(p,q) ?
@@ -24776,388 +14564,11 @@ but was surprised to see
 
 and thus made up the secret-trick in order to avoid sort.
 
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+From: Bill Page
+To: Martin Rubey
+Subject: begin{axiom},	begin{spad} and begin{aldor} (was: new version of polymake.spad)
 
 On August 27, 2005 3:38 PM Martin Rubey wrote:
 > 
@@ -25271,49 +14682,11 @@ also is compiled and saved properly.
 
 Let me know if you have any questions about this.
 
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+Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:50:42 +0100
+From: Mark Murray
 To: Tim Daly
 Subject: re: axiom on Mac OSX 
-	28 Aug 2005 15:50:22 EDT."
-	<200508281950.j7SJoMc09111@localhost.localdomain> 
-From: Mark Murray
-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:50:42 +0100
-Cc: list
 
 root writes:
 >The Mac port is only partially done. I don't have a mac so it makes it
@@ -25324,42 +14697,11 @@ root writes:
 
 How can I help? I've done this a few times before! :-)
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
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+Subject: Re: begin{axiom}, begin{spad} and begin{aldor} (was: new version of polymake.spad)
 
 No questions but three comments:
 
@@ -25372,39 +14714,12 @@ No questions but three comments:
 * thanks for your prompt actions! it's really nice to work together with such
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+Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 04:31:46 -0500
 From: MathAction (Martin Rubey)
 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [Axiom-mail] Lexicographic order
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
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 Although I'm not 100% sure what lexorder? ought to do exactly, you might want
@@ -25442,7 +14757,7 @@ Hope this helps,
 
 Martin
 
-Jens Axel Søgaard writes:
+Jens Axel Seaard writes:
  > Hi all,
  > 
  > Is there a smarter way than the following to write lexorder?(p,q) ?
@@ -25471,63 +14786,12 @@ Jens Axel S
  >   [y,z,x]
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  > and thus made up the secret-trick in order to avoid sort.
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 To: Mark Murray
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-Cc: list
 
 Martin,
 
@@ -25561,48 +14825,11 @@ good to go. Unfortunately I'm still struggling with the mundane.
 
 There is no such thing as a simple job.
 
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 Subject: re: axiom on Mac OSX 
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-From: Mark Murray
-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:47:44 +0100
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 root writes:
 >Martin,
@@ -25665,90 +14892,16 @@ Sure - http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html
 Steep curve at the beginning, but once you've sorted out the (not very
 many) niggles, you'll find that *BSD is a very clean system (I hope!).
 
->There is no such thing as a simple job.
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-Ain't that the truth!
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+Ain't that the truth!
 
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+\start
+Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:19:20 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:19:20 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [#115 color highlighting of Axiom compiler
-	output] compiler output is folded
+Subject: [#115 color highlighting of Axiom compiler output] compiler output is folded
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/115ColorHighlightingOfAxiomCompilerOutput/diff
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 In addition to being shaded lightgrey, the compiler output is now
 also "folded", i.e. the output is collapsed to a single header line.
 You will notice a + sign in from the word 'axiom' on the right hand
@@ -25758,156 +14911,13 @@ compiler output will be hidden.
 
 Note also the +/- menu items at the top of the page. Clicking + will
 expand all folded output. Clicking - will hide it all.
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-	report form
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-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/201NewIssueCategoriesForAldor/diff
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+Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:45:04 -0500
 From: MathAction (anonymous)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:45:04 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#201 New issue categories for Aldor] (new) 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/201NewIssueCategoriesForAldor/diff
---
 I have added two new categories to support Aldor:
 
 - Aldor Library Compiler
@@ -25922,39 +14932,16 @@ I have added two new categories to support Aldor:
 Note: "Aldor:http://www.aldor.org is not open source but access to source
 code is by request. Contact: Laurentiu Dragan ldragan@scl.csd.uwo.ca
 or Cosmin Oancea coancea@scl.csd.uwo.ca
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 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:50:01 +0200
-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jens_Axel_S=F8gaard?= <jensaxel@soegaard.net>
+From: Jens Axel Segaard
 To: list
-	<17170.50973.133261.616524@seam101.local>
 Subject: Bug report
 
 I belive the following session must be due to a bug in the compiler:
 
-(1) -> firstNegative(l) =3D=3D first(remove( x +-> x>=3D0, l))
+(1) -> firstNegative(l) == first(remove( x +-> x>=0, l))
                                                              Type: Void
 (2) -> firstNegative([1,2,0,-3,4])
     Compiling function firstNegative with type List Integer -> Integer
@@ -25964,40 +14951,12 @@ Segmentation fault
 
 The same happens in Windows.
 
---=20
-Jens Axel S=F8gaard
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+\start
 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:50:32 -0500
-Cc: 
+From: MathAction (Jens Axel Segaard)
+To: MathAction
 Subject: [Axiom-mail] Lexicographic order
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
---
 Hi Martin,
 
  > Although I'm not 100% sure what lexorder? ought to do exactly, you
@@ -26048,53 +15007,13 @@ lexorder?(p,q) ==
      then return false
      else return positive?(first(n))
 
--- 
-Jens Axel Søgaard
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+\start
+Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:05:22 -0500
 From: MathAction (William Sit)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:05:22 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [Axiom-mail] [Axiom-mail] Lexicographic order
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-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomMail/diff
---
+Subject:  Lexicographic order
 
 
-Jens Axel Søgaard wrote:
-
 > Part of my problem was that I had to polynomials, which might be belong
 > to polynomial rings over different variables. I am probably not going
 > to use lexorder?, 
@@ -26109,44 +15028,13 @@ POLY same as SMP using order in Symbol
 
 All are built-in. Please check Axiom book or hyperdoc for details.
 
-
-William
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+\start
+Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:41:04 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:41:04 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [#196 )set functions compile on] Still another
-	manifestation of )se fu co on
+Subject: [#196 )set functions compile on] Still another	manifestation of )se fu co on
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/196SetFunctionsCompileOn/diff
---
-On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 18:50 +0200, Jens Axel SÃ¸gaard wrote:
+On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 18:50 +0200, Jens Axel Seaard wrote:
 I belive the following session must be due to a bug in the compiler:
 > 
 > (1) -> firstNegative(l) == first(remove( x +-> x>=0, l))
@@ -26159,54 +15047,13 @@ I belive the following session must be due to a bug in the compiler:
 > 
 > The same happens in Windows.
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+Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:43:41 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:43:41 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [#196 )set functions compile on] 
 
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--I belive the following session must be due to a bug in the compiler:
--> 
--> (1) -> firstNegative(l) == first(remove( x +-> x>=0, l))
-->                                                              Type: Void
--> (2) -> firstNegative([1,2,0,-3,4])
-->     Compiling function firstNegative with type List Integer -> Integer
--> 
--> Segmentation fault
--> 
--> 
--> The same happens in Windows.
--> 
-
 I belive the following session must be due to a bug in the compiler::
  
  (1) -> firstNegative(l) == first(remove( x +-> x>=0, l))
@@ -26216,42 +15063,13 @@ I belive the following session must be due to a bug in the compiler::
  
  Segmentation fault
  
- 
 The same happens in Windows.
 
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+From: Bill Page
+To: Jens Axel Segaard
+Subject: Re: Bug report
 
 Jens,
 
@@ -26296,7 +15114,7 @@ http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/196SetFunctionsCompileOn
 Regards,
 Bill Page.
 
-On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 18:50 +0200, Jens Axel SÃ¸gaard wrote:
+On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 18:50 +0200, Jens Axel Seaard wrote:
 > I belive the following session must be due to a bug in the compiler:
 > 
 > (1) -> firstNegative(l) == first(remove( x +-> x>=0, l))
@@ -26310,92 +15128,25 @@ On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 18:50 +0200, Jens Axel SÃ¸gaard wrote:
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [AldorForAxiom] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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--1. Make sure you have the most up to date version of gnu make
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--   make --version
--   GNU Make 3.80
 1. Make sure you have the most up to date version of gnu make::
 
      make --version
      GNU Make 3.80
 
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 5. Update your Axiom source code to Patch-44 (or greater)::
 
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 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [AldorForAxiom] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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--   3. touch ../../int/aldor/dep_spad.stamp
--
--   4. document Make.functions.pamphlet
--
--   5. make 2>&1 | tee aldor.log
    3. make
 
       make stops with an error message. The next two step corrects the problem.
@@ -26406,49 +15157,16 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
 
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 To: MathAction
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [AldorForAxiom] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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-??changed:
--     make --version
      $ make --version
 
-??changed:
--2. Install the Java development kit JDK
 2. Install the Java development kit JDK:
 
-++added:
    It may be necessary to adjust symbolic links or the PATH to point
    to the correct version of java::
 
@@ -26458,43 +15176,15 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
      $ javac 1.5.0_03
 
 
-??changed:
--     cd axiom--main--1
--     tla update
      $ cd axiom--main--1
      $ tla update
 
-??changed:
--     patch -p 1 < ~/aldor.diff
      $ patch -p 1 < ~/aldor.diff
 
-??changed:
--     ./configure
      $ ./configure
 
-??changed:
--     make
      $ make
 
-??changed:
--     cd src
--     tar xzvf ~/src_aldor2.tgz
--
--9. Build the Aldor interface using the following commands:
--
--   1. cd aldor
--
--   2. document Makefile.pamphlet
--
--   3. make
--
--      make stops with an error message. The next two step corrects the problem.
--
--   4. touch ../../int/aldor/dep_spad.stamp
--
--   5. document Make.functions.pamphlet
--
--   6. make 2>&1 | tee aldor.log
      $ cd src
      $ tar xzvf ~/src_aldor2.tgz
 
@@ -26515,117 +15205,26 @@ Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
 
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-Subject: [Axiom-mail] [Axiom-mail] Lexicographic order
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 To: Bill Page, Peter Broadbery
-Cc: list, aldor-l@aldor.org
 Subject: aldor for axiom
 
 Bill, Peter,
@@ -26645,86 +15244,20 @@ the whole aldor install is going to require the user to fetch aldor
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 1. Make sure you have the most up to date version of gnu "make":http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/make ::
 
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 Subject: aldor for axiom
 
 Bill, Peter,
@@ -26732,41 +15265,10 @@ Bill, Peter,
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 Subject: patches
 
 Peter,
@@ -26775,37 +15277,10 @@ I don't see any obvious reason why your patches can't be permanently
 applied to the axiom sources. Did I miss something that would break
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 Tim wrote:
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 That makes sense.
 
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 > Also, I have javac 1.5.0_04. Can I assume you don't actually REQUIRE
@@ -26891,118 +15338,27 @@ what java compiler he is using.
 It would be nice if one could use the GNU gcj compiler. But my first
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+From: Jens Axel Segaard
+To: list
+Subject: Re:  Lexicographic order
 
 root wrote:
 
@@ -27022,41 +15378,11 @@ loop (1)
 
 Is there a way to turn off the invocation history?
 
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  > I tried the following and ran out of stack space:
  > 
@@ -27075,54 +15401,28 @@ Although this is not a nice way for Axiom to fail, two questions:
 
 * what result would you expect?
 
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+From: Jens Axel Segaard
 To: Martin Rubey
-Subject: re: [Axiom-mail] [Axiom-mail] Lexicographic
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+Subject: re:  Lexicographic order
 
 Martin Rubey wrote:
 >  > I tried the following and ran out of stack space:
->  >=20
+>  >
 >  > loop : INT -> INT
->  >=20
->  > loop (n) =3D=3D loop (n)
->  >=20
+>  >
+>  > loop (n) == loop (n)
+>  >
 >  > loop (1)
->  >=20
+>  >
 >  >    >> System error:
 >  >    Invocation history stack overflow.
->=20
+>
 > Although this is not a nice way for Axiom to fail, two questions:
->=20
+>
 > * is this an instance of tail-recursion?
->=20
+>
 > * what result would you expect?
 
 Hi Martin,
@@ -27141,8 +15441,8 @@ be returned by f, then the call to g is a /tail call/.
 
 In
 
-  summa(n) =3D=3D
-    if n=3D0
+  summa(n) ==
+    if n=0
     then 0
     else n + summa(n-1)
 
@@ -27155,8 +15455,8 @@ summa(n-1) needs to be added to n before a value can be returned.
 On the other hand in:
 
   -- a stands for accumulator
-  summa2(n, a) =3D=3D
-    if n=3D0
+  summa2(n, a) ==
+    if n=0
     then a
     else summa2(n-1, n+a)
 
@@ -27178,58 +15478,26 @@ problems. However, in some Scheme implementations one can
 turn the stack history on and off - so perhaps there is
 magic switch somewhere?
 
-See=20
+See
 <http://www.schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-6.html#%_=
 sec_3.5>
 for a more formal definition.
 
-
-
 [1] Here "Proper Tail Recursion" is a technical term, and doesn't
      mean "tail recursion done right".
 
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 From: Bill Page
 To: Andrey G. Grozin
-Cc: bill.page1@synthesis.anikast.ca, list
+Subject: steps towards a Maxima interface in MathAction (was: steps towards better TeXmacs interface)
+Cc: Bill Page
 
-On Friday, August 26, 2005 12:33 PM Andrey G. Grozin wrote:=20
-> ...=20
+On Friday, August 26, 2005 12:33 PM Andrey G. Grozin wrote:
+> ...
 > Another free computer algebra system, maxima, has incorporated
 > inserting of parametrized markers in the key positions of its
 > output some time ago. Now it is easy to interface it to almost
@@ -27280,21 +15548,21 @@ The problem that I have with Maxima right now is that I do not
 know how to run Maxima in this manner, i.e. in a "batch mode"
 to process a series of input sections and then parse the output
 into a series of corresponding output sections.
- =20
+ 
 > Axiom is still in the stone age in this respect (a more structured
 > and predictable input-output). I am now trying to move it to the
 > bronze age. The first (and rather obvious) place is interp/i-
 > util.boot.pamphlet I renamed the procedure MKPROMPT to MKPROMPT0,
 > and inserted
->=20
+>
 > $InterfaceStrings : Record(PromptPrefix:String,PromptSuffix:String)
->  :=3D ['"[",'"]"]
->=20
-> MKPROMPT() =3D=3D
->=20
+>  := ['"[",'"]"]
+>
+> MKPROMPT() ==
+>
 > STRCONC($InterfaceStrings.PromptPrefix,MKPROMPT0(),
 >  $InterfaceStrings.PromptSuffix)
->=20
+>
 > This works, and my prompts are now in brackets (of course, this is
 > just a test). The next step is to find all the other prompt-like
 > things in axiom (i.e., output strings immediately preceeding user
@@ -27315,10 +15583,10 @@ barely able to support this. New $InterfaceStrings to support this
 parsing would be very welcome!
 
 > So, I have a few questions to the gurus:
->=20
+>
 > 1. What is the correct file to put the definition and initialization
 >  of $InterfaceStrings ?
->=20
+>
 > 2. Is there some way in which this initialisation could be made
 >  dependent on external conditions? For example, can I pass a
 >  command-line argument to AXIOMsys, and check it in boot code? Or
@@ -27331,7 +15599,7 @@ parsing would be very welcome!
 My preference would be to pass InterfaceStrings via one or more
 environment variables. Reading environment variables in boot code
 amounts simply to calling the corresponding lisp system function.
-=20
+
 
 > ...
 > TeXmacs has some strange requirements of its own (e.g., using \* for
@@ -27344,7 +15612,7 @@ had in mind.
 
 > Therefore, I want to leave the old TeX generation alone, and to
 > introduce the new kind of output: texmacs. So that it will be
-> possible to say=20
+> possible to say
 > )set output texmacs on
 
 I think that this is an excellent idea. A couple of years ago
@@ -27400,7 +15668,7 @@ new boot code (the way it is done now in the part of the Axiom
 Makefile that builds INTERPSYS. You should be able to capturing
 the lisp output in the NRLIB directory. Is that right Tim?
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > There is another possibility, which requires some thought. What if
 > we send expression tree from axiom to TeXmacs as an S-expression,
 > instead of serializing it via LaTeX? TeXmacs understands not only
@@ -27412,9 +15680,9 @@ the lisp output in the NRLIB directory. Is that right Tim?
 > actually typesetting it). But this is, probably, a more long-term
 > project. For now, I'd better keep as much as possible from
 > the current interface, but make it more robust and less ugly.
->=20
+>
 > What do you think?
->=20
+>
 
 I like your last idea best. I think it would be a mistake to spend
 too much effort simply tweaking the LaTeX output to make the current
@@ -27432,52 +15700,18 @@ is over at the beginning of September, I hope that Kai will have
 a chance to discuss here more of what he had in mind of AxiomUI in
 this regard.
 
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-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jens_Axel_S=F8gaard?= <jensaxel@soegaard.net>,
-	Martin Rubey
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+To: Jens Axel Segaard, Martin Rubey
 Subject: Tail recursion (was: Lexicographic order)
 
-On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:44 PM Jens Axel S=F8gaard wrote:=20
+On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:44 PM Jens Axel Segaard wrote:
 
 > >  >
 > >  > loop : INT -> INT
 > >  >
-> >  > loop (n) =3D=3D loop (n)
+> >  > loop (n) == loop (n)
 > >  >
 > >  > loop (1)
 > >  >
@@ -27491,11 +15725,11 @@ On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:44 PM Jens Axel S=F8gaard wrote:=20
 > > * is this an instance of tail-recursion?
 > >
 > > * what result would you expect?
->=20
+>
 > Yes - if tail recursion were supported, then the above would be
 > an infinite loop. I haven't got any complaints over the wording
 > of the error message.
->=20
+>
 
 I think the example at:
 
@@ -27510,8 +15744,8 @@ but summa2(1000000,0) did fail.
 
 The definition::
 
-  summa(n) =3D=3D
-    if n=3D0
+  summa(n) ==
+    if n=0
     then 0
     else n + summa(n-1)
 
@@ -27521,7 +15755,7 @@ relation" and so does not produce a stack overflow.
 Similarly a stack overflow does occur in this simpler case:
 \begin{axiom}
 loop : INT -> INT
-loop (n) =3D=3D loop (n)
+loop (n) == loop (n)
 \end{axiom}
 
 \begin{axiom}
@@ -27537,8 +15771,8 @@ function (see web page above):
 
 \begin{axiom}
   -- a stands for accumulator
-  summa3(n, a) =3D=3D
-    if n=3D0
+  summa3(n, a) ==
+    if n=0
     then a
     else summa3(n-1, n+a)
 \end{axiom}
@@ -27552,7 +15786,7 @@ overflow. And similarly
 
 \begin{axiom}
 loop : INT -> INT
-loop (n) =3D=3D loop (n)
+loop (n) == loop (n)
 \end{axiom}
 
 if called here with 'loop(1)' becomes an infinite loop.
@@ -27572,7 +15806,7 @@ which suggest that some previous versions of gcl may have had some =
 problems
 with tail recursion:
 
-- https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?func=3Ddetailitem&item_id=3D788
+- https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?func=detailitem&item_id=788
 
 - http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gcl-devel/2002-03/msg00032.html
 
@@ -27580,42 +15814,10 @@ with tail recursion:
 
 So maybe there is still a problem lurking out there?
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
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 Tim et al.,
@@ -27659,57 +15861,32 @@ of any good reason why
 
 should not be the default?
 
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-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jens_Axel_S=F8gaard?= <jensaxel@soegaard.net>
+From: Jens Axel Segaard
 To: Bill Page
-Cc: list
 Subject: Re: Tail recursion (was: Lexicographic order)
 
 Page, Bill wrote:
 
 > I think the example at:
->=20
+>
 > http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/SandBoxTailRecursion
->=20
+>
 > shows that something more subtle is happening here than just
 > tail-recursion elimination (or not).
->=20
+>
 > For one thing, the call to summa(1000000) did not fail with a
 > "Invocation history stack overflow" as Jens predicted above
 > but summa2(1000000,0) did fail.
->=20
+>
 > The definition::
->=20
->   summa(n) =3D=3D
->     if n=3D0
+>
+>   summa(n) ==
+>     if n=0
 >     then 0
 >     else n + summa(n-1)
->=20
+>
 > is apparently treated specially by Axiom as a "recurrence
 > relation" and so does not produce a stack overflow.
 
@@ -27717,33 +15894,33 @@ Ok - I choose a bad example.
 
 > Now let's see what happens if we tell Axiom to compile the
 > function (see web page above):
->=20
+>
 > \begin{axiom}
 > )set functions compile on
 > \end{axiom}
->=20
+>
 > \begin{axiom}
 >   -- a stands for accumulator
->   summa3(n, a) =3D=3D
->     if n=3D0
+>   summa3(n, a) ==
+>     if n=0
 >     then a
 >     else summa3(n-1, n+a)
 > \end{axiom}
->=20
+>
 > \begin{axiom}
 > summa3(1000000,0)
 > \end{axiom}
->=20
+>
 > Now this function returns a correct value without the stack
 > overflow. And similarly
->=20
+>
 > \begin{axiom}
 > loop : INT -> INT
-> loop (n) =3D=3D loop (n)
+> loop (n) == loop (n)
 > \end{axiom}
->=20
+>
 > if called here with 'loop(1)' becomes an infinite loop.
->=20
+>
 > So it seems that perhaps the tail recursion elimination only
 > works when the function is compiled unless it is recognized as
 > special case of a recurrence relation.
@@ -27756,8 +15933,8 @@ I tried another tail recursive loop in the Octorber 2004 version:
 )set functions compile on
 foo : INT -> INT
 bar : INT -> INT
-foo (n) =3D=3D bar (n)
-bar (n) =3D=3D foo (n)
+foo (n) == bar (n)
+bar (n) == foo (n)
 foo (1)
 
 and got a
@@ -27778,13 +15955,13 @@ ter
 > which suggest that some previous versions of gcl may have had some prob=
 lems
 > with tail recursion:
->=20
-> - https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?func=3Ddetailitem&item_id=3D788
+>
+> - https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?func=detailitem&item_id=788
  >
 > - http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gcl-devel/2002-03/msg00032.html
->=20
+>
 > - http://www.mail-archive.com/gcl-devel@gnu.org/msg00287.html
->=20
+>
 > So maybe there is still a problem lurking out there?
 
 That depends on the Axiom interpreter/compiler. Since Common Lisp
@@ -27796,68 +15973,36 @@ calls, but it is usually unsafe to rely on it.
 The code from SICP (which uses Scheme) that Maguire is trying is
 thus not supposed to work an all Common Lisp implementations.
 
---=20
-Jens Axel S=F8gaard
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+To: Jens Axel Segaard
 Subject: RE: Tail recursion
 
-On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:59 PM Jens Axel S=F8gaard wrote:
+On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:59 PM Jens Axel Segaard wrote:
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > It does seem to work in cases, where the tail recursive call is
 > to the function itself.
->=20
+>
 > I tried another tail recursive loop in the Octorber 2004 version:
->=20
+>
 > )set functions compile on
 > foo : INT -> INT
 > bar : INT -> INT
-> foo (n) =3D=3D bar (n)
-> bar (n) =3D=3D foo (n)
+> foo (n) == bar (n)
+> bar (n) == foo (n)
 > foo (1)
->=20
+>
 > and got a
->=20
+>
 >    >> System error:
 >    Value stack overflow.
->=20
+>
 > However, I am not sure the above is the correct way to define
 > two mutually recursive functions.
->=20
+>
 
 I think that what you are writing is correct. With Axiom from the
 most recent Patch-44 which used gcl-2.6.6 I tried:
@@ -27867,9 +16012,9 @@ most recent Patch-44 which used gcl-2.6.6 I tried:
                                Type: Void
 (4) -> bar : INT -> INT
                                Type: Void
-(5) -> foo (n) =3D=3D bar (n)
+(5) -> foo (n) == bar (n)
                                Type: Void
-(6) -> bar (n) =3D=3D foo (n)
+(6) -> bar (n) == foo (n)
                                Type: Void
 (7) -> foo (1)
    Compiling function bar with type Integer -> Integer
@@ -27891,12 +16036,12 @@ I don't know what this message means. (Axiom is busted ... )
 
 Let's try a slightly more complicated mutual recursion:
 
-(7) -> foo (n) =3D=3D if n>0 then bar (n-1)+1 else 0
+(7) -> foo (n) == if n>0 then bar (n-1)+1 else 0
    Compiled code for foo has been cleared.
    Compiled code for bar has been cleared.
    1 old definition(s) deleted for function or rule foo
                                     Type: Void
-(8) -> bar (n) =3D=3D if n>0 then foo (n-1)+1 else 0
+(8) -> bar (n) == if n>0 then foo (n-1)+1 else 0
    1 old definition(s) deleted for function or rule bar
                                     Type: Void
 (9) -> foo (1)
@@ -27920,9 +16065,9 @@ can be eliminated.
 
 Even this "proper" case is apparently not recognized:
 
-(12) -> bar2 (n,a) =3D=3D if n>0 then foo2 (n-1,n+a) else a
+(12) -> bar2 (n,a) == if n>0 then foo2 (n-1,n+a) else a
                                     Type: Void
-(13) -> foo2 (n,a) =3D=3D if n>0 then bar2 (n-1,n+a) else a
+(13) -> foo2 (n,a) == if n>0 then bar2 (n-1,n+a) else a
                                     Type: Void
  (14) -> foo2(1,0)
    Compiling function bar2 with type (Integer,Integer) -> Integer
@@ -27953,102 +16098,12 @@ an "Invocation history stack overflow"?
 
 Thanks for your comments.
 
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 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [AldorForAxiom] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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-??changed:
--<hr />
--Out of Date
--
--  The information below is out of date and will be soon replaced
--
--Unfortunately, support for domains and packages is still buggy, but
--it's nearly working - thanks to Peter!
--
--Let's do an example! Let's assume you have Aldor installed. You then have to do
--a little setup:
--
--1. Grab the file 'axextend.lsp' from your Axiom source distribution, it should
--   reside in 'lsp/ccl/src/axbase/compiler/lib'. Rename it into
--   'axextend.lsp.pamphlet' and edit its second line, such that it reads 
--   '\usepackage{axiom}' instead of 
--   '\usepackage{../../../../../src/scripts/tex/axiom}'. Then run 
--   'document axextend.lsp.pamphlet', to obtain the proper lisp code. Do the same 
--   for the file 'foam_l.lsp', in the same directory.
--
--[152 more lines...]
 More Examples
 
   Having put the following simple domain in a file 'test.as' ::
@@ -28066,27 +16121,6 @@ Test: with { fact: PositiveInteger -> PositiveInteger }
                 res } }
 \end{aldor}
 
-??changed:
--  )lisp (load "/home/rubey/axiom--main--1--patch-24/lsp/ccl/src/axbase/compiler/lib/foam_l.lsp")
--  )lisp (load "/home/rubey/axiom--main--1--patch-24/lsp/ccl/src/axbase/compiler/lib/axextend.lsp")
--  )lisp (load "/home/rubey/aldor/linux/1.0.2/lib/runtime.lsp")
--  )lib test
--  
--  (1) -> )sh Test
--    Test  is a domain constructor
--    Abbreviation for Test is TEST 
--    This constructor is exposed in this frame.
--    Issue )edit test.as to see algebra source code for TEST 
--  
--   ------------------------------- Operations --------------------------------
--    fact : PositiveInteger -> PositiveInteger
--   
--   (1) -> fact(5)\$Test
--   
--      (1)  120
--                                                           Type: PositiveInteger
--
--[1 more lines...]
   )co test.as
 
 \begin{axiom}  
@@ -28187,136 +16221,10 @@ Concerning his patches, Peter also pointed out that
 -interpreter side. You can read the whole thread on 
 -http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2005-01/msg00154.html
 
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 To: Bill Page
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 Subject: Re: )set functions compile on
 
 Bill,
@@ -28330,47 +16238,16 @@ and see what breaks.
 
 If nothing breaks then I have no objections to changing the default.
 
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [AldorForAxiom] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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-??changed:
--functions which you then can use Axiom.
 functions which you then can use Axiom. For details see:
 
 - http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/chap18.html
 
-??changed:
--See also a more complex example in [Sandbox Aldor Testing]
 Here is an example from http://www.aldor.org/docs/HTML/chap18.html
 
 \begin{aldor}
@@ -28407,36 +16284,11 @@ a := antisymmetricPart m
 
 See also a more complex example in [RandomAlgebra]
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
 To: Tim Daly
 Subject: re: )set functions compile on
-	<200508310340.j7V3evD14490@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: list
 
 But, on the other hand, I think we should really track down the cause of the
 frequent failures when working without )se fu co on
@@ -28461,42 +16313,12 @@ root writes:
  > and see what breaks.
  > 
  > If nothing breaks then I have no objections to changing the default.
- > 
- > Tim
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on
-Cc: list
 
 Page, Bill writes:
  > On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote:
@@ -28529,55 +16351,24 @@ Would it be a fitting *challenge* for comp.lang.lisp to devise a *simple*
 compiler for the Aldor language as described in the Aldor User Guide? Maybe
 with a price of 500$?
 
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 To: Martin Rubey
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+Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on
 
 On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:50 AM Martin Rubey wrote:
->=20
+>
 > But, on the other hand, I think we should really track down the
 > cause of the frequent failures when working without )se fu co on
 >
 
 Agreed.
-=20
+
 > I suspect that this could lead to some insights about how the
 > interpreter differs from the compiler, and it should be a priority
 > goal to make the semantics of both the same.
->=20
+>
 
 Be careful here not to confuse the reference to 'compile' in
 ')set function compile on' with the )compile command. In the first
@@ -28619,51 +16410,19 @@ is Tim Daly. I am :) because he's here, but :( because there are
 still so few other people who are willing and able to contribute
 their time to do this kind of work.
 
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+Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on
 
 On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:45 AM Martin Rubey wrote:
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > Would it be a fitting *challenge* for comp.lang.lisp to devise a
 > *simple* compiler for the Aldor language as described in the Aldor
 > User Guide? Maybe with a price of 500$?
->=20
+>
 
 ??? Why would you want a compiler written in lisp for the Aldor
 language when there already is an Aldor compiler written in C? I do
@@ -28676,84 +16435,23 @@ I would like them to do first! :)
 Seriously. I don't understand your point of view here. Could you
 explain what you mean?
 
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 To: Tim Daly
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: RE: Re: )set functions compile on
-Cc: list
 
 Page, Bill writes:
  > On Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:45 AM Martin Rubey wrote:
@@ -28775,91 +16473,68 @@ There are (at least) two reasons:
 I suspect that it is *relatively* easy to write a *simple* compiler (i.e., no
 optimizations etc.) for Aldor in Lisp.
 
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+Date: 31 Aug 2005 12:14:22 -0400
+From: Camm Maguire
 To: Bill Page
 Subject: re: Tail recursion
-From: Camm Maguire
-Date: 31 Aug 2005 12:14:22 -0400
-Cc: Jens Axel =?iso-8859-1?q?S=F8gaard?= <jensaxel@soegaard.net>,
-	list
+Cc: Jens Axel Segaard
 
 Greetings!
 
 Bill Page writes:
 
-> On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:59 PM Jens Axel S=F8gaard wrote:
->=20
-> > ...=20
+> On Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:59 PM Jens Axel Segaard wrote:
+>
+> > ...
 > > It does seem to work in cases, where the tail recursive call is
 > > to the function itself.
-> >=20
+> >
 > > I tried another tail recursive loop in the Octorber 2004 version:
-> >=20
+> >
 > > )set functions compile on
 > > foo : INT -> INT
 > > bar : INT -> INT
-> > foo (n) =3D=3D bar (n)
-> > bar (n) =3D=3D foo (n)
+> > foo (n) == bar (n)
+> > bar (n) == foo (n)
 > > foo (1)
-> >=20
+> >
 > > and got a
-> >=20
+> >
 > >    >> System error:
 > >    Value stack overflow.
-> >=20
+> >
 > > However, I am not sure the above is the correct way to define
 > > two mutually recursive functions.
-> >=20
->=20
+> >
+>
 > I think that what you are writing is correct. With Axiom from the
 > most recent Patch-44 which used gcl-2.6.6 I tried:
->=20
+>
 > (3) -> )set functions compile on
 > (3) -> foo : INT -> INT
 >                                Type: Void
 > (4) -> bar : INT -> INT
 >                                Type: Void
-> (5) -> foo (n) =3D=3D bar (n)
+> (5) -> foo (n) == bar (n)
 >                                Type: Void
-> (6) -> bar (n) =3D=3D foo (n)
+> (6) -> bar (n) == foo (n)
 >                                Type: Void
 > (7) -> foo (1)
 >    Compiling function bar with type Integer -> Integer
->=20
+>
 > ---------
->=20
+>
 > This behaviour is odd. It should have returned either a result
 > or an error message. So I repeat the command.
->=20
+>
 > (7) -> foo (1)
->=20
+>
 >    >> System error:
 >    The function |*1;foo;1;initial| is undefined.
->=20
+>
 > ---------
->=20
+>
 
 Don't know what to say about this offhand.
 
@@ -28869,8 +16544,8 @@ running the following in this case:
 
 (proclaim '(ftype (function (t) t) foo))
 (proclaim '(ftype (function (t) t) bar))
-=20
-or even=20
+
+or even
 
 (proclaim '(ftype (function (integer) integer) foo))
 (proclaim '(ftype (function (integer) integer) bar))
@@ -28878,32 +16553,32 @@ or even=20
 
 > This time I get an error message but not the one I expected.
 > I don't know what this message means. (Axiom is busted ... )
->=20
+>
 > Let's try a slightly more complicated mutual recursion:
->=20
-> (7) -> foo (n) =3D=3D if n>0 then bar (n-1)+1 else 0
+>
+> (7) -> foo (n) == if n>0 then bar (n-1)+1 else 0
 >    Compiled code for foo has been cleared.
 >    Compiled code for bar has been cleared.
 >    1 old definition(s) deleted for function or rule foo
 >                                     Type: Void
-> (8) -> bar (n) =3D=3D if n>0 then foo (n-1)+1 else 0
+> (8) -> bar (n) == if n>0 then foo (n-1)+1 else 0
 >    1 old definition(s) deleted for function or rule bar
 >                                     Type: Void
 > (9) -> foo (1)
 >    Compiling function bar with type Integer -> Integer
 >    Compiling function foo with type Integer -> Integer
->=20
+>
 >    (9)  1
 >                                     Type: PositiveInteger
 > (10) -> foo (100)
->=20
+>
 >    (10)  100
 >                                     Type: PositiveInteger
 > (11) -> foo (1000000)
->=20
+>
 >    >> System error:
 >    Value stack overflow.
->=20
+>
 > Here is the error message which as you suggest implies that
 > Axiom/GCL did not recognize this as a case where tail recursion
 > can be eliminated.
@@ -28916,37 +16591,37 @@ GCL to do so, as this is a requirement of the GCC mutual tail
 recursion elimination support.
 
 
->=20
+>
 > Even this "proper" case is apparently not recognized:
->=20
-> (12) -> bar2 (n,a) =3D=3D if n>0 then foo2 (n-1,n+a) else a
+>
+> (12) -> bar2 (n,a) == if n>0 then foo2 (n-1,n+a) else a
 >                                     Type: Void
-> (13) -> foo2 (n,a) =3D=3D if n>0 then bar2 (n-1,n+a) else a
+> (13) -> foo2 (n,a) == if n>0 then bar2 (n-1,n+a) else a
 >                                     Type: Void
 >  (14) -> foo2(1,0)
 >    Compiling function bar2 with type (Integer,Integer) -> Integer
 >    Compiling function foo2 with type (Integer,Integer) -> Integer
->=20
+>
 >    (14)  1
 >                               Type: PositiveInteger
 > (15) -> foo2(100,0)
->=20
+>
 >    (15)  5050
 >                               Type: PositiveInteger
 > (16) -> foo2(10000,0)
->=20
+>
 >    (16)  50005000
 >                               Type: PositiveInteger
 > (17) -> foo2(1000000,0)
->=20
+>
 >    >> System error:
 >    Value stack overflow.
->=20
+>
 > --------
->=20
+>
 > So I think your caution about tail recursion elimination not being
 > guaranteed is well taken.
->=20
+>
 > I wonder when should expect a "Value stack overflow" instead of
 > an "Invocation history stack overflow"?
 
@@ -28970,65 +16645,19 @@ which can be set to achieve the same thing and give the user the
 option to see them if needed.  Defaults to nil on 2.6.7 and t in 2.7.0
 and higher.
 
-Take care,
-
 
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-> Bill Page.
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-To: Jens Axel =?iso-8859-1?q?S=F8gaard?= <jensaxel@soegaard.net>
-Subject: re: Tail recursion (was: Lexicographic order)
-	<4314F2BB.9060100@soegaard.net>
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+\start
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-Cc: list, gcl-devel@gnu.org
+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Jens Axel Segaard
+Subject: re: Tail recursion (was: Lexicographic order)
 
 Greetings!
 
-Jens Axel S=F8gaard <jensaxel@soegaard.net> writes:
+Jens Axel Segaard writes:
 
 > Page, Bill wrote:
->=20
+>
 > > I think the example at:
 > > http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/SandBoxTailRecursion
 > > shows that something more subtle is happening here than just
@@ -29037,15 +16666,15 @@ Jens Axel S=F8gaard <jensaxel@soegaard.net> writes:
 > > "Invocation history stack overflow" as Jens predicted above
 > > but summa2(1000000,0) did fail.
 > > The definition::
-> >   summa(n) =3D=3D
-> >     if n=3D0
+> >   summa(n) ==
+> >     if n=0
 > >     then 0
 > >     else n + summa(n-1)
 > > is apparently treated specially by Axiom as a "recurrence
 > > relation" and so does not produce a stack overflow.
->=20
+>
 > Ok - I choose a bad example.
->=20
+>
 > > Now let's see what happens if we tell Axiom to compile the
 > > function (see web page above):
 > > \begin{axiom}
@@ -29053,8 +16682,8 @@ Jens Axel S=F8gaard <jensaxel@soegaard.net> writes:
 > > \end{axiom}
 > > \begin{axiom}
 > >   -- a stands for accumulator
-> >   summa3(n, a) =3D=3D
-> >     if n=3D0
+> >   summa3(n, a) ==
+> >     if n=0
 > >     then a
 > >     else summa3(n-1, n+a)
 > > \end{axiom}
@@ -29065,30 +16694,30 @@ Jens Axel S=F8gaard <jensaxel@soegaard.net> writes:
 > > overflow. And similarly
 > > \begin{axiom}
 > > loop : INT -> INT
-> > loop (n) =3D=3D loop (n)
+> > loop (n) == loop (n)
 > > \end{axiom}
 > > if called here with 'loop(1)' becomes an infinite loop.
 > > So it seems that perhaps the tail recursion elimination only
 > > works when the function is compiled unless it is recognized as
 > > special case of a recurrence relation.
->=20
+>
 > It does seem to work in cases, where the tail recursive call is
 > to the function itself.
->=20
+>
 > I tried another tail recursive loop in the Octorber 2004 version:
->=20
+>
 > )set functions compile on
 > foo : INT -> INT
 > bar : INT -> INT
-> foo (n) =3D=3D bar (n)
-> bar (n) =3D=3D foo (n)
+> foo (n) == bar (n)
+> bar (n) == foo (n)
 > foo (1)
->=20
+>
 > and got a
->=20
+>
 >    >> System error:
 >    Value stack overflow.
->=20
+>
 > However, I am not sure the above is the correct way to define
 > two mutually recursive functions.
 
@@ -29102,7 +16731,7 @@ implement tail recursion when:
 4) one is not running in degugging mode (si::use-fast-links nil)
 
 One thing I'd like to do is to extend this to optional arguments, and
-perhaps multiple value returns.=20=20
+perhaps multiple value returns.
 
 As far as mutual recursion goes, this cannot be done in C without
 special non-standard support from the C compiler.  Thankfully, GCL
@@ -29117,9 +16746,9 @@ As for the old example from SICP, it is true that lisp is not required
 to eliminate this, but that's not really relevenat for GCL as we do
 want to do tail recursion where possible.  On looking at it again, I
 don't see why it is tail recursive at all, even if one grants mutual
-tail recursion.  I'm probably just overlooking something.=20
+tail recursion.  I'm probably just overlooking something.
 
->=20
+>
 > > The message "Invocation history stack overflow" is actually generated
 > > by gcl (gcl 2.6.6 is the lisp compiler used to build Axiom on MathActio=
 n).
@@ -29130,111 +16759,28 @@ ter
 > > which suggest that some previous versions of gcl may have had some prob=
 lems
 > > with tail recursion:
-> > - https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?func=3Ddetailitem&item_id=3D788
+> > - https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?func=detailitem&item_id=788
 >  >
 > > - http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gcl-devel/2002-03/msg00032.html
 > > - http://www.mail-archive.com/gcl-devel@gnu.org/msg00287.html
 > > So maybe there is still a problem lurking out there?
->=20
+>
 > That depends on the Axiom interpreter/compiler. Since Common Lisp
 > doesn't guarantee proper tail recursion, it isn't an error that
 > tail recursive code can run out of stack space in GCL. Some
 > Common Lisp compilers make an effort to optimize som tail recursive
 > calls, but it is usually unsafe to rely on it.
->=20
+>
 > The code from SICP (which uses Scheme) that Maguire is trying is
 > thus not supposed to work an all Common Lisp implementations.
->=20
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 To: MathAction
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 Subject: [FormalFraction] (new) 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/FormalFraction/diff
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 Date Created -- 1996 Jan. 23
@@ -29367,36 +16913,13 @@ f2 :: Float
 --       1.5
 
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+From: Kai Kaminski
+To: list
 Subject: [UI] Plot Support
 
-
 Hi!
 
 I have just uploaded a new version of AxiomUI to my homepage at
@@ -29409,188 +16932,34 @@ printed, which makes everything a lot slower than it usually is. Also
 keep in mind that when you first plot something, all the necessary
 libraries have to be loaded, which also takes some time.
 
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 Subject: [AldorForAxiom] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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--First compile some function, for example this non-recursive
--method to compute the factorial. In the MathAction editor Aldor
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 To compile an Aldor function, for example this non-recursive method
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 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:07:06 -0500
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 Subject: [AldorForAxiom] 
 
-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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-If you care to, you can also look at the
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-at http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/images/![name].as, .lsp and .asy
+If you care to, you can also look at the "Aldor
+source":http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/images/fact.as
+generated "lisp
+code":http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/images/fact.lsp
+and the final "compiled
+result":http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/images/fact.asy
+at http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/images/![name].as,
+.lsp and .asy
 
 
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-forwarded from http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom#msg20050831200706-0500@page.axiom-developer.org
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diff --git a/book/2005-09.txt b/book/2005-09.txt
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-Subject: re: Tail recursion (what does")clear all" NOT
-	do?)
 To: Camm Maguire
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+Subject: re: Tail recursion (what does")clear all" NOT do?)
+Cc: Jens Axel Segaard
 
 I tried the simple tail recursion code by Bill, and repeat after )clear all,
 with slight variations. Here are two transcripts. I also verify that if one
@@ -258,81 +232,11 @@ should behave symmetrically. Moreover, using f(1) or f(2) should make no
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 call in (5) should already return an error message, as Bill noted already.
 
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+Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 05:33:42 -0400
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-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 05:33:42 -0400
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 Least anyone think I have abandoned this, I just want to give a brief update:
 
@@ -369,34 +273,10 @@ can get rather annoying at times, too - jobs sure can eat up time :-/.)
 Thought we'd get more comment (other than from me anyway) on William's overall 
 design ideas - maybe we got too longwinded and lost the audience? ;-)  
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: optional argument to aldor environment
 
 Dear Bill, *,
@@ -419,44 +299,11 @@ I hope that there is a solution which does not make it more difficult to
 specify versions later on. (If this is not the case anyway, please ignore this
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-Thread-Index: AcWu3SCT2+iUuc6/R8G08GAOF6xMFQAA3Xyw
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-To: Bill Page
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+To: list
+Subject: Aldor rep and per: object-oriented programming or category theory?
 
 Dear Axiom enthusiasts and category theorists:
 
@@ -475,8 +322,8 @@ In older SPAD terms, rep and per can be written as the following
 macros:
 
 macro {
-        rep x =3D=3D x @ % pretend Rep;
-        per r =3D=3D r @ Rep pretend %;
+        rep x == x @ % pretend Rep;
+        per r == r @ Rep pretend %;
 )
 
 The expression rep(x) describes an object x of this domain but
@@ -568,53 +415,21 @@ Theory for the working computer scientist." by Andrea Asperti and
 Giuseppe Longo, M.I.T. Press, 1991, which is downloadable from here:
 http://www.di.ens.fr/users/longo/download.html
 
-Regards,
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 Subject: RE: optional argument to aldor environment
 
-Martin,=20
+Martin,
 
 On Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:57 AM you wrote:
->=20
+>
 > I just noticed that you augmented the aldor environment on
 > MathAction to allow for an optional argument, specifying
 > some library.
->=20
-> Although I do not exactly know the background, I think that=20
+>
+> Although I do not exactly know the background, I think that
 > this is not a good idea.
 
 The reason I did this (only for \begin{aldor}[name] ... so far)
@@ -657,8 +472,8 @@ largely numerical name.
 
 > I'm quite certain we should reserve the optional argument
 > to allow for specifying the version/patch number of the CAS
-> in question, in line with my feature request=20
->=20
+> in question, in line with my feature request
+>
 > http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/44IssueTracker
 NeedsToBeAbleToUseOldAxiomVersions
 >
@@ -681,8 +496,8 @@ want to "freeze" the output to be that generated by a
 certain version of Axiom for later reference, then we
 could always just keep the static HTML that was generated
 by that version but cut-and-paste.
-=20
-> Is there maybe a different possibility to achieve the same=20
+
+> Is there maybe a different possibility to achieve the same
 > goal? Furthermore it seems to me that the name specified
 > should also be visible on the rendered MathAction page,
 > which is not the case, currently.
@@ -690,57 +505,22 @@ by that version but cut-and-paste.
 The name is visible inside the compiler output section.
 Click on the '+ aldor' link to expand it.
 
->=20
-> I hope that there is a solution which does not make it more=20
+>
+> I hope that there is a solution which does not make it more
 > difficult to specify versions later on. (If this is not
 > the case anyway, please ignore this email)
->=20
+>
 
 I don't think that this is that case, but I would never
 just ignore your email. :)
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
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+From: Tim Daly
 To: William Sit
-	Thu, 01 Sep 2005 02:56:19 -0400)
-Subject: re: Tail recursion (what does")clear all" NOT
-	do?)
-	@Corporateex01.Corporate.drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
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+Cc: Camm Maguire, Jens Axel Segaard
 
 William,
 
@@ -750,43 +530,11 @@ does not clear the cached functions. Try
 
 )clear completely
 
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 Subject: Re: Unit package question
-	<200509010533.42662.Cliff Yapp>
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 CY
 
@@ -807,81 +555,21 @@ what you come to understand is what will make Axiom into a living
 system (in the Christopher Alexander sense). Write for the next
 generation who will have to maintain it and change it.
 
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 I believe there is a way to set compiler options in Axiom.
 
 )set compiler args -O -Fasy -Fao -Flsp -laxiom -Mno-AXL_W_WillObsolete -DAxiom -Y $AXIOM/algebra
 
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-Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
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+Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
 
 Dear C Y:
 
@@ -980,9 +668,9 @@ UnitSystem(S, D, U):Category == Exports where
    units: ()->List String
    convertFactor: String -> Float
 
-For example, dimensions() = ["Mass", "Length", ...] (which replaces Dimension =
-Union("Mass", "Length", ...), making this local to a unit system rather than one
-global list.
+For example, dimensions() = ["Mass", "Length", ...] (which replaces
+Dimension = Union("Mass", "Length", ...), making this local to a unit
+system rather than one global list.
 
 (II) ??? Dimension(dims:List String) == Union(dims)
 
@@ -1008,21 +696,24 @@ where 'setDimUnit(dim, unit, s)' is a LOCAL command affecting ONLY s:S, and
 'setUnit(dim, unit)' would be a GLOBAL command affecting ALL s:S (more on this
 later).  Null may be replaced with a new state vector?
 
-Note that the way Dimension and Unit are defined (as Union("Mass", "Length",
-...) and Union("slug", "ft", ...)) is very close to making each dimension and
-unit a domain of its own, except that here each domain consists of just its name
-(string). You may also consult the way BasicOperators and CommonOperators are
-designed, but at least for the moment, the simpler setup probably suffices.
-
-SECOND: To support the implementation for 'setUnit' (a dynamical change of
-units), I propose to add a state vector for each unit system domain: this state
-vector stores the current unit for each dimension, which is updated by the
-'setUnit' command. The 'setDimUnit' command can check this state vector before
-generating the Rep (see below). Some care has to be considered: we have to
-decide whether a 'setUnit(dim, unit)' command should affect the other derived
-units that depends on 'dim' or not, and also those the variables whose
-dimensions were set before this 'setUnit' command and invole 'dim'. I have added
-'setUnitAll' for the case every current variable will be updated.
+Note that the way Dimension and Unit are defined (as Union("Mass",
+"Length", ...) and Union("slug", "ft", ...)) is very close to making
+each dimension and unit a domain of its own, except that here each
+domain consists of just its name (string). You may also consult the
+way BasicOperators and CommonOperators are designed, but at least for
+the moment, the simpler setup probably suffices.
+
+SECOND: To support the implementation for 'setUnit' (a dynamical
+change of units), I propose to add a state vector for each unit system
+domain: this state vector stores the current unit for each dimension,
+which is updated by the 'setUnit' command. The 'setDimUnit' command
+can check this state vector before generating the Rep (see
+below). Some care has to be considered: we have to decide whether a
+'setUnit(dim, unit)' command should affect the other derived units
+that depends on 'dim' or not, and also those the variables whose
+dimensions were set before this 'setUnit' command and invole 'dim'. I
+have added 'setUnitAll' for the case every current variable will be
+updated.
 
 
 Thus, we can replace unitLength(len) by setDim("Length", len) when the default
@@ -1030,48 +721,55 @@ unit is used, where::
 
     setDim(dim: Dimension, s:S):% == setDimUnit: (dim, unit(dim), s)
 
-and 'unit(dim)' is a look-up function using the state-vector of the present unit
-system.
+and 'unit(dim)' is a look-up function using the state-vector of the
+present unit system.
 
 
-SECOND: Extend the Rep in these domains to include units and conversion factors.
+SECOND: Extend the Rep in these domains to include units and
+conversion factors.
  
    Rep:=Record(value:S, dim:Dimension, unit:Unit, factor:(Float, String), 
                absfactor:(Float, String))
 
-My original proposed Rep is simpler because I was not planning for dynamic
-changes to the unit system, so unit and factor (which would be 1 always) are
-"hard-wired". The more general record allows more flexibility. This is slightly
-less efficient in terms of storage, but not that bad, because no matter what,
-somewhere, the system has to store the conversion factors. The conversion
-factors can probably be implemented in a UnitConversion domain, which would be a
-lookup table (maybe tables), which drives the 'setDimUnit' and 'setUnit'
-commands. Axiom has a number of data structures with extensive tools to create
-lookup tables (see domains of category TableAggregate in table.spad).
-
-In the new Rep, besides the unit, two factors are included: One relative to the
-current system (to provide a relative factor to convert within this system when
-a user changes a unit, and one relative to SI (to provide an absolute factor to
-convert between systems: for SI derived unit system, just one factor would
-suffice; but we should aim for uniformity to simplify the code). Each factor has
-both a value (Float) and a name (String). The value of the factor is when
-numerical output is needed, that is, when S is coerced to Float (via the "lift"
-mechanism). The name would be used in output for symbolic computations to
-indicate a conversion factor is needed, without spoiling the elegance of
-symbolic computation or more importantly, going outside the domain S. It is only
-a decoration in the output (so it can be used with even Float alone), but it
-serves two important roles as well: it can be used as an index key to the
-UnitConversion table(s) to look up the value of the factor, and it can also be
-used to provide an audit trail in numerical computations: typically, if the
-answer is simply in numeric form set to the user's unit, the user may not have
-any idea of how what factors are used in its computation; by delaying the use of
-numerical values for conversion factors, the user can track each conversion in
-symbolic form for numerical inputs to verify correctness and then compute when
-everything is ok (in case there are bugs, for example, this can be used for
-debugging too).   
-
-The above setup would make the coercion to OutputForm quite straight forward and
-uniform (which should ignore the factors if they are (1.0, "1")).
+My original proposed Rep is simpler because I was not planning for
+dynamic changes to the unit system, so unit and factor (which would be
+1 always) are "hard-wired". The more general record allows more
+flexibility. This is slightly less efficient in terms of storage, but
+not that bad, because no matter what, somewhere, the system has to
+store the conversion factors. The conversion factors can probably be
+implemented in a UnitConversion domain, which would be a lookup table
+(maybe tables), which drives the 'setDimUnit' and 'setUnit'
+commands. Axiom has a number of data structures with extensive tools
+to create lookup tables (see domains of category TableAggregate in
+table.spad).
+
+In the new Rep, besides the unit, two factors are included: One
+relative to the current system (to provide a relative factor to
+convert within this system when a user changes a unit, and one
+relative to SI (to provide an absolute factor to convert between
+systems: for SI derived unit system, just one factor would suffice;
+but we should aim for uniformity to simplify the code). Each factor
+has both a value (Float) and a name (String). The value of the factor
+is when numerical output is needed, that is, when S is coerced to
+Float (via the "lift" mechanism). The name would be used in output for
+symbolic computations to indicate a conversion factor is needed,
+without spoiling the elegance of symbolic computation or more
+importantly, going outside the domain S. It is only a decoration in
+the output (so it can be used with even Float alone), but it serves
+two important roles as well: it can be used as an index key to the
+UnitConversion table(s) to look up the value of the factor, and it can
+also be used to provide an audit trail in numerical computations:
+typically, if the answer is simply in numeric form set to the user's
+unit, the user may not have any idea of how what factors are used in
+its computation; by delaying the use of numerical values for
+conversion factors, the user can track each conversion in symbolic
+form for numerical inputs to verify correctness and then compute when
+everything is ok (in case there are bugs, for example, this can be
+used for debugging too).
+
+The above setup would make the coercion to OutputForm quite straight
+forward and uniform (which should ignore the factors if they are (1.0,
+"1")).
 
 
 
@@ -1079,10 +777,11 @@ uniform (which should ignore the factors if they are (1.0, "1")).
 The following scenario will illustrate the potential problems and I'll put in
 some suggestions on how to solve some of these.
 
-Assuming the above extended Rep:  unit is initialialised to the standard one for
-the system, factor initialized to (1.0, "1"), absfactor initialized to
-(absfactorvalue, absfactorname).  Let's assume the default unit system
-is FPS (foot-pound-second, a non-scientific system still used in the US), see:
+Assuming the above extended Rep: unit is initialialised to the
+standard one for the system, factor initialized to (1.0, "1"),
+absfactor initialized to (absfactorvalue, absfactorname).  Let's
+assume the default unit system is FPS (foot-pound-second, a
+non-scientific system still used in the US), see:
 
 http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/foot-pound-second+system
 
@@ -1111,11 +810,11 @@ In a STATIC change environment (this is, at compile time), if the user prefers
 
 (2) setUnit("Length", "in") 
 
-Here is a design question: we can let setUnit("Length", "in") to modify ONLY the
-unit of the "Length" dimension and not any derived dimension that involves
-"Length". This would be the most flexible so that we can allow
-will change the state-vector to reflect all units that involve a "Length"
-dimension as component
+Here is a design question: we can let setUnit("Length", "in") to
+modify ONLY the unit of the "Length" dimension and not any derived
+dimension that involves "Length". This would be the most flexible so
+that we can allow will change the state-vector to reflect all units
+that involve a "Length" dimension as component
 
 len ft2in [in]
 
@@ -1139,22 +838,24 @@ with the internal Rep now:
    [value = len, dim = "Length", unit = "cm", factor = (30.48, "ft2cm"),
     absfactor = (0.01, "cm2m")]
 
-This is all not difficult for STATIC changes, that is, changes that are effected
-at Axiom start time. Now consider DYNAMIC changes: suppose again the default is
-FPS system, and the user has already set the variable ulen as in (1).
+This is all not difficult for STATIC changes, that is, changes that
+are effected at Axiom start time. Now consider DYNAMIC changes:
+suppose again the default is FPS system, and the user has already set
+the variable ulen as in (1).
 
 Now if the user later runs:
   
 (4)    setUnitLength("cm")
 
-What does this involve? You are now in a run-time environment, you cannot change
-the code for unitLength in the FPS domain, you can only change data. (Code
-modification is in theory possible if you know enough, but I don't think that is
-a good practice in Axiom).  To handle FUTURE assignments, we can design the code
-for unitLength to depend on a state vector for the domain: this state vector
-stores one unit for each dimension, and is updated by the setUnitLength and
-similar commands. The unitLength (and similar commands) can check this state
-vector before generating the Rep. 
+What does this involve? You are now in a run-time environment, you
+cannot change the code for unitLength in the FPS domain, you can only
+change data. (Code modification is in theory possible if you know
+enough, but I don't think that is a good practice in Axiom).  To
+handle FUTURE assignments, we can design the code for unitLength to
+depend on a state vector for the domain: this state vector stores one
+unit for each dimension, and is updated by the setUnitLength and
+similar commands. The unitLength (and similar commands) can check this
+state vector before generating the Rep.
 
 But what about those variables already defined, like ulen defined in (1)? If
 ulen is used in some computation requiring ulen to be an input parameter, then
@@ -1169,20 +870,21 @@ before computation. However, if the user simply types
 
      ulen
 
-the interpreter can only redisplay the output (1). The interpreter has no reason
-to call the FPS(S) domain to perform an update and change the unit of ulen and
-display the output (3). Perhaps the domain FPS(S) should provide a function
-update(ulen).
+the interpreter can only redisplay the output (1). The interpreter has
+no reason to call the FPS(S) domain to perform an update and change
+the unit of ulen and display the output (3). Perhaps the domain FPS(S)
+should provide a function update(ulen).
      
 
  
-I made the factor:Union(Float, Symbol) to allow a delay of the computation when
-symbolic computation is more prevalent and also when S does not have
-RetractableTo(Float).  This still requires S to have RetractableTo(Symbol).  The
-exact meaning of factor needs some discussion: perhaps there should be two
-factors! One relative to the current system (to provide a relative factor to
-convert within this system when users changes a unit, and one relative to SI (to
-provide an absolute factor to convert between systems).
+I made the factor:Union(Float, Symbol) to allow a delay of the
+computation when symbolic computation is more prevalent and also when
+S does not have RetractableTo(Float).  This still requires S to have
+RetractableTo(Symbol).  The exact meaning of factor needs some
+discussion: perhaps there should be two factors! One relative to the
+current system (to provide a relative factor to convert within this
+system when users changes a unit, and one relative to SI (to provide
+an absolute factor to convert between systems).
 
 
 > > > But it should be doable, readily, IMHO.  That's what computers
@@ -1261,17 +963,18 @@ equation, only their values are the same.
 > rather than just Length?  
 
 
-No, dimension of C is length and is not dependent on any equation it is in. This
-is a major difference between physical quantities and mathematical constants.
-Perhaps we should start using the term "dimension" to mean the one used in the
-definition, which may involve derived dimensions, and the term "reduced
-dimension" to mean a simplified form in terms of the basic dimensions. Then we
-can say the reduced dimensions of pi in both equations are the same, namely 1
-(or dimensionless), but the dimensions are different. This terminology would
-work to say work and moment have the same reduced dimensions, but their
-dimensions are different (when vectors are used to indicate the direction of the
-distance with respect to the forces). How vectors may be expressed in dimensions
-is another thing to study.
+No, dimension of C is length and is not dependent on any equation it
+is in. This is a major difference between physical quantities and
+mathematical constants.  Perhaps we should start using the term
+"dimension" to mean the one used in the definition, which may involve
+derived dimensions, and the term "reduced dimension" to mean a
+simplified form in terms of the basic dimensions. Then we can say the
+reduced dimensions of pi in both equations are the same, namely 1 (or
+dimensionless), but the dimensions are different. This terminology
+would work to say work and moment have the same reduced dimensions,
+but their dimensions are different (when vectors are used to indicate
+the direction of the distance with respect to the forces). How vectors
+may be expressed in dimensions is another thing to study.
 
 > > OK, let me try to explain again.  A quantity is dimensionless
 > > means its dimension can be reduced to 1. But sometimes, it is
@@ -1315,54 +1018,26 @@ the m? So a single rule of Length (m) is not applicable to all cases.
 > useful, and Axiom is definitely not focused on introductory student
 > problems :-).
 > 
-Actually, you scenarios are not narrow but general and right! There should be no
-difference between units as used by students and units as used by researchers.
-The idea of units is not limited to even SI. Currency conversions are
-conversions in monetary units. But we should be able to use Axiom's unit system
-for grocery as well (Back to my unfinished idea on different Dimension domains)!
-Dimension=Union("Orange", "120z-Coke", ...) is as useful as
-Dimension=Union("Mass", "Length", ...). (Yes, a supermarket manager using Axiom,
-that'll be the day: not so far-fetched if you think of the operation research
-problems involved).
 
-William
+Actually, you scenarios are not narrow but general and right! There
+should be no difference between units as used by students and units as
+used by researchers.  The idea of units is not limited to even
+SI. Currency conversions are conversions in monetary units. But we
+should be able to use Axiom's unit system for grocery as well (Back to
+my unfinished idea on different Dimension domains)
 
+Dimension=Union("Orange", "120z-Coke", ...) is as useful as
+Dimension=Union("Mass", "Length", ...). 
 
+(Yes, a supermarket manager using Axiom, that'll be the day: not so
+far-fetched if you think of the operation research problems involved).
 
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@@ -1512,104 +1187,37 @@ protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL)
 Final comments: ")clear completely" does not seem to clear completely either.
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 Page, Bill writes:
@@ -1686,34 +1294,10 @@ version
   code formerly producing wrong output
 \end{axiom}
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: axiomui
 
 Dear Kai,
@@ -1725,50 +1309,19 @@ Logged error: 404 Not Found NIL (http://127.0.0.1:5050/static/styles/toplevel.cs
 Logged error: 404 Not Found NIL (http://127.0.0.1:5050/static/javascript/toplevel.js)
 Logged error: 404 Not Found NIL (http://127.0.0.1:5050/static/javascript/jsMath/jsMath.js)
 
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-Thread-Topic: different axiom versions on mathaction
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 From: Bill Page
 To: Martin Rubey
-Cc: list
 Subject: different axiom versions on mathaction
 
-Martin,=20
+Martin,
 
 On Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:21 AM you wrote:
 
 > Did I understand correctly: Currently you save the content
 > of every section into a file and then you say something like
->=20
+>
 > axiom                (start axiom)
 > for file in filelist
 >   case type(file) of
@@ -1783,7 +1336,7 @@ as a loop, my program generates as a linear script like this:
 
 1)  extract Axiom sections:
       section_n --> file_n.xx
-        where xx =3D 'input' or 'spad' or 'as'
+        where xx = 'input' or 'spad' or 'as'
 
 2)  in parallel generate script:
 
@@ -1796,7 +1349,7 @@ as a loop, my program generates as a linear script like this:
       )yy file_n.xx
       )qu
 
-        where yy =3D 're' if xx =3D 'spad' else 'co'
+        where yy = 're' if xx = 'spad' else 'co'
 
 3)  execute script
 
@@ -1808,21 +1361,21 @@ This is just for the Axiom sections. The same process is repeated
 entirely once again for Reduce and then one more time for LaTeX.
 Of course it is important that the LaTeX pass come last since it
 must process sections created by the previous two passes.
-=20
-> So maybe the following could be a solution: have a=20
+
+> So maybe the following could be a solution: have a
 > LaTeX-syntax-wiki-switch like
->=20
+>
 > \setAxiomVersion{patchnumber}
->=20
+>
 > and
->=20
+>
 > \setAxiomVersionCurrent
->=20
-> that quits the current axiom process and starts a new one=20
+>
+> that quits the current axiom process and starts a new one
 > with the indicated pachnumber. Furthermore, these commands
 > should print the indicated patchnumber... So this would
 > result in the following structure
->=20
+>
 > for version in versionlist
 >   axiom--version       (start axiom)
 >   for file in filelist
@@ -1831,50 +1384,50 @@ must process sections created by the previous two passes.
 >        spad: )co file
 >       aldor: )co file
 >   )qu
->=20
+>
 > Would this be doable?
 
 Well, I think what you wrote above would amount to repeating
 all n commands m  times, once for each axiom--version.
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > Well, the idea is that I can write on IssueTracker
->=20
+>
 > Up to Axiom version
 > \setAxiomVersion{44}
->=20
+>
 > the following produced wrong output:
 > \begin{axiom}
 >   code formerly producing wrong output
 > \end{axiom}
->=20
-> However, meanwhile this is fixed, as you can see for example=20
-> in the current version=20
+>
+> However, meanwhile this is fixed, as you can see for example
+> in the current version
 > \setAxiomVersionCurrent
->=20
+>
 > \begin{axiom}
 >   code formerly producing wrong output
 > \end{axiom}
->=20
+>
 
 So in that case I think the following might work:
 
 1)  extract Axiom sections:
       section_n --> file_n.xx
-        where xx =3D 'input' or 'spad' or 'as'
+        where xx = 'input' or 'spad' or 'as'
 
 2)  in parallel generate script include version changes:
 
-      start axiom -version=3Dcurrent
+      start axiom -version=current
       )re file1.input
       )co file2.spad
       )qu
 
-      start axiom -version=3D44
+      start axiom -version=44
       )re file3.input
       )qu
 
-      start axiom -version=3Dcurrent
+      start axiom -version=current
       )co file4.as
         ...
       )yy file_n.xx
@@ -1893,93 +1446,20 @@ sessions is much more expensive in computer time than actually
 doing most calculations! The more version switches the longer the
 author will have to wait when they click 'Save'.
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
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-Cc: 
+To: Cliff Yapp
+Subject: RE: Unit package question
 
 On Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:34 AM Clifford wrote:
->=20
-> Least anyone think I have abandoned this, I just want to give=20
+>
+> Least anyone think I have abandoned this, I just want to give
 > a brief update:
->=20
+>
 > [writing design documentation]
 >
-> ... so I'll try to cram in all the potentially important=20
+> ... so I'll try to cram in all the potentially important
 > information.  I suspect what I'll wind up with might be
 > overkill, but it can always be trimmed down.
 
@@ -2001,8 +1481,8 @@ to appreciating complex subjects when they are presented with
 too many unorganized ideas at once. If it is at all possible
 we need to choose a mode of expression that is more powerful,
 i.e. say more with less but carefully chosen words. This is
-often where mathematics ( =3D 10,000 words) , pictures (=3D 1,000
-words) and demonstrations ( =3D 1,00 words) should come into play.
+often where mathematics ( = 10,000 words) , pictures (= 1,000
+words) and demonstrations ( = 1,00 words) should come into play.
 
 While I appreciate all of the documentation that exists about
 Axiom (It is much better than if there was none at all!) but I
@@ -2019,11 +1499,11 @@ about improving the quality of what we have (and therefore
 reducing it's length) while at the same time producing more
 quantity.
 
-> ...=20
+> ...
 > Thought we'd get more comment (other than from me anyway) on
 > William's overall design ideas - maybe we got too longwinded
-> and lost the audience? ;-) =20
->=20
+> and lost the audience? ;-) 
+>
 
 Aw, proving my point above! In fact I did read all 60+ pages,
 but I must say that at some point I began to feel like I had
@@ -2070,38 +1550,12 @@ willing re-read and have, finally, illustrated my own point.
 
 Carry on.
 
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+To: Martin Rubey
 Subject: Re: axiomui
 
-
 Martin,
 
 thanks for trying.
@@ -2124,38 +1578,11 @@ Yet another way to fix this problem is to edit axiom-hub.lisp and make
 sure that the variable *static-pages-path* actually points to the
 axiomui/static-pages/ directory.
 
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 >> Hi!
 >> 
@@ -2181,39 +1608,11 @@ axiomui/http-server/axiom-hub.lisp with the one available at
 kaikaminski.gmxhome.de or download the tar ball again. The version you
 downloaded contained a wrong pathname and won't work.
 
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+To: Bill Page
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-To: Bill Page, list
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 --- Bill Page wrote:
 
@@ -2427,48 +1826,13 @@ Note this is not ment to encourage poor or unclear writing, which is an
 altogether different matter and something I'm probably guilty of quite
 often.
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package question
 
---- root Tim Daly wrote:
+--- Tim Daly wrote:
 
 > CY
 > 
@@ -2514,39 +1878,10 @@ which is as internally consistent and complete as possible, even at the
 risk of verbosity.  But that's just me ;-)  Once I've actually got
 something I'll post it and take my lumps.
 
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: different axiom versions on mathaction
 
 Page, Bill writes:
@@ -2587,35 +1922,11 @@ document old behaviour. So, I think that two things apply:
 
 If you could implement this behaviour, I'd be very grateful.
 
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 Page, Bill writes:
  > Now I would like to see what Ralf sketched in Aldor written and
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 Subject: axiomui graphics
 
 Dear Kai,
@@ -2686,44 +1973,11 @@ thanks for the update. I tried it and it works. However, the quality of the
 graphics is not -- well, not as good as I would have expected. It rather looks
 like ascii art. Did I do something wrong?
 
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+Subject: Pamplhet mode for emacs (was: Re: Unit package	question)
 
 Hello,
 
@@ -2768,41 +2022,12 @@ For what it's worth, I'm using following code in my .emacs:
 		     (t 'fundamental-mode))))
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+From: Kai Kaminski
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 Subject: Re: axiomui graphics
 
-
 Hi Martin,
 
 thanks for your patience.
@@ -2838,40 +2063,12 @@ There seems to be an SVG project for Konqueror, but I don't know if
 that is already integrated into Konqueror and how well it works. Maybe
 upgrading Konqueror helps, maybe it doesn't.
 
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 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
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 Subject: [Interval Arithmetic] (new) 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/IntervalArithmetic/diff
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 Author -- Mike Dewar
 
 Date Created -- November 1996
@@ -3367,43 +2564,13 @@ Interval2(R:FUNCAT): IntervalCategory2(R) == add {
 x:=interval(1.1,2.2)$Interval2(Float)
 sin(x)
 \end{axiom}
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 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
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-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AldorForAxiom/diff
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--See also a more complex examples in [RandomAlgebra]
--and [FormalFraction]
 See also the more complex examples:
 
 - [RandomAlgebra]
@@ -3412,39 +2579,11 @@ See also the more complex examples:
 
 - [Interval Arithmetic]
 
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 From: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: Re: Unit package question - part 1
 To: William Sit
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package question - part 1
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 >
@@ -3665,76 +2804,20 @@ otherwise I'm afraid I'm missing something.
 As for current variables, shouldn't they be updated automatically by
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-To: Kai Kaminski <Kai Kaminski>
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: Re: axiomui graphics
 
 Dear Kai,
@@ -3771,34 +2854,11 @@ since I don't want to use Mozilla anyway. I was using
 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030630
 Adobe SVG Viewer plug-in version 3.01x88
 
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 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:26:54 +0200
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Kai Kaminski
 Subject: axiomui on Konqueror
 
 I just tried the svg-graphics on konqueror: to my great surprise, they worked
@@ -3807,43 +2867,18 @@ without a problem... So maybe it's easier to fix Konqueror support :-)
 The "only" thing which doesn't work is: when you press enter in the toplevel,
 nothing happens...
 
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 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:11:26 +0200
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+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
 Subject: Re: axiomui 
-Cc: Kai Kaminski, list
+Cc: Kai Kaminski
 
 Just another question:
 
 is SVG capable of doing the things that the axiom viewer axiom2D and axiom3D
 can do? 
 
-Martin
-
 
 Martin Rubey writes:
  > I just tried the svg-graphics on konqueror: to my great surprise, they worked
@@ -3851,45 +2886,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes:
  > 
  > The "only" thing which doesn't work is: when you press enter in the toplevel,
  > nothing happens...
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+Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:11:26 +0200
+From: Kai Kaminski
 To: Martin Rubey
 Subject: re: axiomui graphics
-	<m2hdd4mudu.fsf@Pupone.local> <17176.2676.856932.28895@seam101.local>
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 Hi Martin!
 
@@ -3929,37 +2931,12 @@ first. To do that, load about:config and look for an option like
 svg_enabled and set it to true.
 
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 To: Bill Page
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 Subject: RE: aldor for axiom
 
 On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 22:11 -0400, Bill Page wrote:
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 On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 22:16 -0400, root wrote:
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+From: Camm Maguire
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 Subject: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
 
 Greetings!  There are just a few probe-file -> truename patches
 required.  Should I apply these to the April 2005 sources and make a
 Debian release?  Or is there a later official savannah version coming?
 
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 On September 2, 2005 11:09 AM Camm Maguire wrote:
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@@ -4207,45 +3053,10 @@ release Aldor.
 
 What do you think?
 
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 Subject: Re: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
 
 Camm,
@@ -4254,33 +3065,11 @@ I applied some probe-file -> truename patches already.
 Should this conversion be universally applied?
 If so I can just wander thru the sources and do it.
 
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+Subject: Re: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
 
 Greetings!
 
@@ -4314,51 +3103,11 @@ now uninstallable in Debian unstable, so I'd like to resolve this
 quickly.  I can either patch what I have (20050201, or use this
 opportunity to upgrade the sources.  Suggestions?
 
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+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: axiom in multiuser environment
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 C Y wrote (Unit package question - part 1)
 > 
@@ -4376,42 +3125,10 @@ job).  Put some of the user-specific configuration file like axiom.input in the
 user's home directory as a $HOME/.axiom file? Obviously such setup is not
 portable, but possible and desirable if the PC is no longer "personal".
 
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 Subject: Re: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
 
 Camm,
@@ -4425,33 +3142,11 @@ I've applied Peter's changes as well as a few of my own and
 I'm in the process of testing the --patch-45 release at the
 moment. I expect it to go out real-soon-now.
 
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+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Bill Page
+Subject: Re: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
 
 Greetings!
 
@@ -4490,57 +3185,11 @@ Am afraid I'm a bit short on time right now for corresondence, so it
 would be most helpful if someone else could get release permission
 commensurate with the DFSG.
 
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 I can add
  )set 
@@ -4549,39 +3198,16 @@ reasons, the names, and the values.
 
 There is a tree of variable initializations in src/interp/setvart
 
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 Subject: Re: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
+Cc: Allen Rouse
 
 Greetings!
 
-root Tim Daly writes:
+Tim Daly writes:
 
 > Camm,
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@@ -4642,55 +3268,12 @@ echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space
 
 May need a small 2.6.7 errata for ia64 and arm in any case.
 
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 re: patch. thx.
 
@@ -4700,222 +3283,12 @@ not there yet. i'm build/debugging on several different paths at the
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 I'll try the echo and let you know...
 
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 Subject: [Interval Arithmetic] Thanks
 
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+Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:02:35 -0400
 From: Cliff Yapp
-To: William Sit,
- Cliff Yapp
+To: William Sit, Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: Unit package question - Reply to 1st half
-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:02:35 -0400
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 On Thursday 01 September 2005 07:33 am, William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -5275,36 +3620,11 @@ like SI, and a Dynamic environment set up to use your records idea to be
 flexible and responsive to the user.  As a reminder, feel free to ignore me 
 since you are clearly much further and better versed in this than I am.
 
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+Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:04:21 -0400
 From: Bill Page
 To: Kai Kaminski
-Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:04:21 -0400
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+Subject: Re: Function definition crashes Axiom
 
 Kai,
 
@@ -5360,38 +3680,11 @@ Break 1 [2]> 5~
 Can you let me know if I am doing something wrong or if you
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 Bill Page writes:
 
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 Subject: Union
 
 Tim:
@@ -5466,59 +3733,27 @@ If I am given
 
 list:=["Yes","No"]
 
-is there a way to construct Union("Yes","No") from list using some Lisp or Axiom
-command?
-
-William
-
-
+is there a way to construct Union("Yes","No") from list using some
+Lisp or Axiom command?
 
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 From: William Sit
-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions (was Unit
-	package question - Part 1)
 To: Cliff Yapp
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions (was Unit package question - Part 1)
 
 Dear C.Y.:
 
-Thanks for your comments. I have combined your two responses and rearrang=
-ed the
-order of your comments in the responses below to avoid as much duplicatio=
-n as
+Thanks for your comments. I have combined your two responses and rearranged the
+order of your comments in the responses below to avoid as much duplication as
 possible. However, to present a more or less logically ordered and
-self-contained version for others not familiar (or confused) with our ear=
-lier
+self-contained version for others not familiar (or confused) with our earlier
 discussions, I have quoted some earlier email paragraphs as well.
 
 ---------- General discussion on documentation
 
 C Y wrote:
-> =
-
+> 
 > --- William Sit wrote:
 > > you have already started real work.
 > =
@@ -5537,212 +3772,138 @@ Tim will love you!
 > =
 
 > I hope so, although I suspect your ideas are far more useful than my
-> own - I'm just asking questions and swatting user level features around=
-
+> own - I'm just asking questions and swatting user level features around
 > in my head at this point.  The hard part (and interesting part) is
 > expressing them in relation to Axiom's mathematical rigor.
 
-You are welcome to ignore or include in your work/paper any ideas I prese=
-nted on
-this forum.
+You are welcome to ignore or include in your work/paper any ideas I
+presented on this forum.
 
-The hardest part is knowing questions to ask, and second is figuring out =
-the
-answers; the easiest (though by no means trivial) is to code the solution=
-s.
+The hardest part is knowing questions to ask, and second is figuring out the
+answers; the easiest (though by no means trivial) is to code the solutions.
 
 > > After waiting a short period of further
 > > discussions, a summary of the final design should be posted at
 > > MathAction for others to comment on.
-> =
-
-> Sounds good.  I apologize in advance for how basic some of my questions=
 
+> Sounds good.  I apologize in advance for how basic some of my questions
 > below will be - I tried to review as much as possible of earlier
 > discussions, but I may have regressed some after a rather busy week at
 > work.
 
-No need to apologize (though I sometimes do myself). I too have short (if=
- any)
-memory. and tends to repeat myself -- what do you expect from an old guy =
-:-)?
+No need to apologize (though I sometimes do myself). I too have short
+ (if any) memory. and tends to repeat myself -- what do you expect
+ from an old guy :-)?
 
 ---------- Basics of the proposal: Representation of UnitSystem domains
 
 William wrote: =
 
 
-> >    Rep:=3DRecord(value:S, dim:Dimension, unit:Unit, factor:(Float, St=
-ring),
+> >    Rep:=Record(value:S, dim:Dimension, unit:Unit, factor:(Float, String),
 > >                absfactor:(Float, String))
-> >  =
-
-> >My original proposed Rep is simpler because I was not planning for dyn=
-amic
-> >changes to the unit system, so unit and factor (which would be 1 alway=
-s) are
-> >"hard-wired". The more general record allows more flexibility. This is=
- slightly
-> >less efficient in terms of storage, but not that bad, because no matte=
-r what,
-> >somewhere, the system has to store the conversion factors. The convers=
-ion
-> >factors can probably be implemented in a UnitConversion domain, which =
-would be a
-> >lookup table (maybe tables), which drives the 'setDimUnit' and 'setUni=
-t'
-> >commands. Axiom has a number of data structures with extensive tools t=
-o create
+> >  
+> >My original proposed Rep is simpler because I was not planning for dynamic
+> >changes to the unit system, so unit and factor (which would be 1 always) are
+> >"hard-wired". The more general record allows more flexibility. This is slightly
+> >less efficient in terms of storage, but not that bad, because no matter what,
+> >somewhere, the system has to store the conversion factors. The conversion
+> >factors can probably be implemented in a UnitConversion domain, which would be a
+> >lookup table (maybe tables), which drives the 'setDimUnit' and 'setUnit'
+> >commands. Axiom has a number of data structures with extensive tools to create
 > >lookup tables (see domains of category TableAggregate in table.spad).
 
 C Y wrote:
 
-> That sounds good, I think - I would propose using this more general, fl=
-exible
-> representation only in a single instance of a Dynamic UnitSystem - SI a=
-nd CGS
+> That sounds good, I think - I would propose using this more general, flexible
+> representation only in a single instance of a Dynamic UnitSystem - SI and CGS
 > wouldn't need it, if I understand correctly.
 
-This comment of yours is based on your breaking up UnitSystem into Static=
- and
-Dynamic Unit System. This is certainly possible, but see my comments in t=
-he
-section on Static vs Dynamic user environment, which will list some pros =
-and
+This comment of yours is based on your breaking up UnitSystem into Static and
+Dynamic Unit System. This is certainly possible, but see my comments in the
+section on Static vs Dynamic user environment, which will list some pros and
 cons on this break up.
 
-> >In the new Rep, besides the unit, two factors are included: One relati=
-ve to the
-> >current system (to provide a relative factor to convert within this sy=
-stem when
-> >a user changes a unit), and one relative to SI (to provide an absolute=
- factor to
-> >convert between systems: for SI derived unit system, just one factor w=
-ould
-> >suffice; but we should aim for uniformity to simplify the code). =
-
-
-> I think the latter is a matter of convenience - converting relative to =
-the
-> current system is also doable via input unit -> SI -> output unit - if =
-I
-> understand you what you are doing is precompressing this two step proce=
-ss
-> into one for the default "output" system?
-> =
+> >In the new Rep, besides the unit, two factors are included: One relative to the
+> >current system (to provide a relative factor to convert within this system when
+> >a user changes a unit), and one relative to SI (to provide an absolute factor to
+> >convert between systems: for SI derived unit system, just one factor would
+> >suffice; but we should aim for uniformity to simplify the code). 
 
+> I think the latter is a matter of convenience - converting relative to the
+> current system is also doable via input unit -> SI -> output unit - if I
+> understand you what you are doing is precompressing this two step process
+> into one for the default "output" system?
+> 
 
-The relative factor can either be built-in for the UnitSystem domain, or =
-via the
-SI mechanism. But we have to remember that SI is not universal (supermark=
-et
-manager example). So a relative factor setup solves the general situation=
- and is
-also more efficient. The SI approach is mainly for scientific application=
-s AND
-conversion between two drastically different systems. Believe me, in less=
- than
-30 years, symbolic computations will be used by economists, if not alread=
-y.
+The relative factor can either be built-in for the UnitSystem domain, or via the
+SI mechanism. But we have to remember that SI is not universal (supermarket
+manager example). So a relative factor setup solves the general situation and is
+also more efficient. The SI approach is mainly for scientific applications AND
+conversion between two drastically different systems. Believe me, in less than
+30 years, symbolic computations will be used by economists, if not already.
 (Mathematica has an operations research package, sold separately).
 
-> Generality is good, but I'm afraid I'm not following - for any given Un=
-it,
-> wouldn't all you need to know be the description of that unit in terms =
-of SI?
-> Or are you proposing that all UnitSystems use this extended storage rec=
-ord?
-> I would suggest using it only for the Dynamic UnitSystems, and then you=
- have
-> the flexibility to define new units in terms of SI which have no existi=
-ng
+> Generality is good, but I'm afraid I'm not following - for any given Unit,
+> wouldn't all you need to know be the description of that unit in terms of SI?
+> Or are you proposing that all UnitSystems use this extended storage record?
+> I would suggest using it only for the Dynamic UnitSystems, and then you have
+> the flexibility to define new units in terms of SI which have no existing
 > Static definition.
 
-Yes, I am more in favor of every UnitSystem domain being dynamic (again, =
-see
-that section). As to shortening the Rep, yes, in principle, for "scientif=
-ic"
-unit systems, it only needs a conversion factor relative to SI, and yes, =
-for
-static unit systems, the relative conversion factors are not needed eithe=
-r.
-However, SI is not everything, so the relative factors will be needed in =
-those
+Yes, I am more in favor of every UnitSystem domain being dynamic (again, see
+that section). As to shortening the Rep, yes, in principle, for "scientific"
+unit systems, it only needs a conversion factor relative to SI, and yes, for
+static unit systems, the relative conversion factors are not needed either.
+However, SI is not everything, so the relative factors will be needed in those
 cases, and SI may be replaced by another standard unit system.
 
 C Y previously wrote:
 > Is that why you're adding the extra
 > arguments - to avoid Axiom needing to figure out that nm is a Length
-> defined in the SI UnitSystem?  =
-
-
-No, the extra arguments in the new Rep are for convenience of implementat=
-ion and
-efficiency in execution. Axiom still has to verify, on user input via the=
-
-setDimUnit commands, that the unit is a legitimate unit for the dimension=
+> defined in the SI UnitSystem?  
 
-specified, even though, as you insist, we allow units outside of the curr=
-ent
-unit system. This verification is faciliated by the UnitConversion domain=
-=2E
+No, the extra arguments in the new Rep are for convenience of implementation and
+efficiency in execution. Axiom still has to verify, on user input via the
+setDimUnit commands, that the unit is a legitimate unit for the dimension
+specified, even though, as you insist, we allow units outside of the current
+unit system. This verification is faciliated by the UnitConversion domain=2E
 
 
 
-> > I made the factor:(Float, String) [updated from Union(Float, Symbol)]=
-
+> > I made the factor:(Float, String) [updated from Union(Float, Symbol)]
 
     [ added: and absfactor:(Float, String) ]
 
 > > to allow a delay of the computation
-> > when symbolic computation is more prevalent and also when S does not =
-have
-> > RetractableTo(Float).  =
-
+> > when symbolic computation is more prevalent and also when S does not have
+> > RetractableTo(Float).  
 
 > >Each factor has
-> >both a value (Float) and a name (String). The value of the factor is w=
-hen
-> >numerical output is needed, that is, when S is coerced to Float (via t=
-he "lift"
-> >mechanism). The name would be used in output for symbolic computations=
- to
-> >indicate a conversion factor is needed, without spoiling the elegance =
-of
-> >symbolic computation or more importantly, going outside the domain S. =
-It is only
-> >a decoration in the output (so it can be used with even Float alone), =
-but it
-> >serves two important roles as well: it can be used as an index key to =
-the
-> >UnitConversion table(s) to look up the value of the factor, and it can=
- also be
-> >used to provide an audit trail in numerical computations: typically, i=
-f the
-> >answer is simply in numeric form set to the user's unit, the user may =
-not have
-> >any idea of how what factors are used in its computation; by delaying =
-the use of
-> >numerical values for conversion factors, the user can track each conve=
-rsion in
-> >symbolic form for numerical inputs to verify correctness and then comp=
-ute when
-> >everything is ok (in case there are bugs, for example, this can be use=
-d for
+> >both a value (Float) and a name (String). The value of the factor is when
+> >numerical output is needed, that is, when S is coerced to Float (via the "lift"
+> >mechanism). The name would be used in output for symbolic computations to
+> >indicate a conversion factor is needed, without spoiling the elegance of
+> >symbolic computation or more importantly, going outside the domain S. It is only
+> >a decoration in the output (so it can be used with even Float alone), but it
+> >serves two important roles as well: it can be used as an index key to the
+> >UnitConversion table(s) to look up the value of the factor, and it can also be
+> >used to provide an audit trail in numerical computations: typically, if the
+> >answer is simply in numeric form set to the user's unit, the user may not have
+> >any idea of how what factors are used in its computation; by delaying the use of
+> >numerical values for conversion factors, the user can track each conversion in
+> >symbolic form for numerical inputs to verify correctness and then compute when
+> >everything is ok (in case there are bugs, for example, this can be used for
 > >debugging too).
-> =
-
-> >The above setup would make the coercion to OutputForm quite straight f=
-orward and
+> 
+> >The above setup would make the coercion to OutputForm quite straight forward and
 > >uniform (which should ignore the factors if they are (1.0, "1")).
 
 
 C Y wrote:
 
-> This is definitely interesting, but I'm not sure we want such an abilit=
-y to be
-> the default - I would suggest hiding the conversion factors unless the =
-user
+> This is definitely interesting, but I'm not sure we want such an ability to be
+> the default - I would suggest hiding the conversion factors unless the user
 > specifically specifies otherwise.  I like the idea of the ability to
 > explicitly show them though :-).
 
@@ -5750,30 +3911,26 @@ What you meant then is to have something like:
 
     setSymbolicConversion(): Boolean
 
-as default True, which will include symbolic conversion factors. Setting =
-this
+as default True, which will include symbolic conversion factors. Setting this
 False will use numerical values. However, if you meant that when I
-setDimUnit("Length", "cm",x) and x was in "m" originally that it will out=
-put
+setDimUnit("Length", "cm",x) and x was in "m" originally that it will output
 only x [cm] instead of x m2cm [cm], then I don't agree.
 
 
 
------------- Basics of the Proposal: UnitSystem domain specifications =
+------------ Basics of the Proposal: UnitSystem domain specifications 
 
-
-The following addresses only the user interface specifications under disc=
-ussion
+The following addresses only the user interface specifications under discussion
 and is not a complete specification for the category:
 
 William Sit wrote:
 
 > > FIRST: Consolidate all the unitXXX and setUnitXXX functions to::
 > >
-> > UnitSystemCategory(S: SetCategory):Category =3D=3D Exports where
+> > UnitSystemCategory(S: SetCategory):Category == Exports where
 > >
-> >  Dimension =3D=3D> Union("Mass", "Length", ...)
-> >  Unit =3D=3D> Union("kg", "m", ...)
+> >  Dimension ==> Union("Mass", "Length", ...)
+> >  Unit ==> Union("kg", "m", ...)
 > >  Join(RetractableTo S,...) with
 > >
 > >      setDimUnit: (Dimension, Unit, S) -> %
@@ -5781,11 +3938,10 @@ William Sit wrote:
 [added from earlier mail:
 
          setDim(Dimension, S) -> %
-         setDim(dim,s) =3D=3D setDimUnit(dim, unit(dim), s)
+         setDim(dim,s) == setDimUnit(dim, unit(dim), s)
 
  where unit: Dimension -> Unit
- looks up the unit in a UnitConversion domain corresponding to the dimens=
-ion.]
+ looks up the unit in a UnitConversion domain corresponding to the dimension.]
 
 > >      setUnit: (Dimension, Unit) -> Null (?)
 > >      setUnitAll: (Dimension, Unit) -> Null (?)
@@ -5798,118 +3954,81 @@ ion.]
 
 
 C Y wrote:
- =
-
+ 
 > I don't quite understand s:S - can you give a specific example of this
 > difference?  Also, I'm not following why you would want to make any
-> local vs. global distinctions here - wouldn't it be neater just to have=
-
+> local vs. global distinctions here - wouldn't it be neater just to have
 > the set commands work in the CurrentUnitSystem, and base things off of
 > Static UnitSystems for definitions unless a totally custom conversion
-> is being defined? =
-
-
-In the setDimUnit, 'setDimUnit' commands, an expression s:S is involved, =
-where S
-is a domain that usually contains symbols ("RetractableTo Symbol" in Axio=
-m
-jargon) and s:S means s is such an expression. Of course S can be just Fl=
-oat if
-no symbols are involved, in which case, expressions and variables are sim=
-ply
-constants.  But the user assigns a dimension and unit to an expression, w=
-hich
-will change the way certain variables involved in the expression are inpu=
-tted or
-outputted. This setting is for a specific expressions s, so has "local" s=
-cope.
-The other 'setUnit' is local for a specific dimension, but has a wider sc=
-ope and
-affects all expressions of that dimension. Finally, the 'setUnitAll' is g=
-lobal
-in the sense that all derived dimensions involving that specific dimensio=
-n and
+> is being defined? 
+
+In the setDimUnit, 'setDimUnit' commands, an expression s:S is involved, where S
+is a domain that usually contains symbols ("RetractableTo Symbol" in Axiom
+jargon) and s:S means s is such an expression. Of course S can be just Float if
+no symbols are involved, in which case, expressions and variables are simply
+constants.  But the user assigns a dimension and unit to an expression, which
+will change the way certain variables involved in the expression are inputted or
+outputted. This setting is for a specific expressions s, so has "local" scope.
+The other 'setUnit' is local for a specific dimension, but has a wider scope and
+affects all expressions of that dimension. Finally, the 'setUnitAll' is global
+in the sense that all derived dimensions involving that specific dimension and
 all expressions in all those derived dimensions will be affected. The
 implementation will be assisted by the UnitConversion domain and the Rep
-remembers the conversion factors both relative to the current system and =
-to the
+remembers the conversion factors both relative to the current system and to the
 SI system, when possible.
 
 > > To support the implementation for 'setUnit' (a dynamical
 > > change of units), I propose to add a state vector for each unit
 > > system domain: this state vector stores the current unit for each
-> > dimension, which is updated by the 'setUnit' command =
-
-    [added: and 'setUnitAll' command]. =
-
-> > The'setDimUnit' command can check this state vector before generating=
-
+> > dimension, which is updated by the 'setUnit' command 
+    [added: and 'setUnitAll' command]. 
+> > The'setDimUnit' command can check this state vector before generating
 > > the Rep (see below). Some care has to be considered: we have to
 > > decide whether a 'setUnit(dim, unit)' command should affect the
 > > other derived units that depends on 'dim' or not, and also those
 > > the variables whose dimensions were set before this 'setUnit'
 > > command and invole 'dim'. I have added 'setUnitAll' for the case
 > > every current variable will be updated.
-> =
-
+> 
 > I don't think I'm quite following - Derived Units are defined in terms
 > of the Base Units for their UnitSystem - just because we are now using
-> "cm" instead of "m" as our default length doesn't change the definition=
-
-> of N, or how many Newtons we have.  If we want to report a Derived Unit=
-
+> "cm" instead of "m" as our default length doesn't change the definition
+> of N, or how many Newtons we have.  If we want to report a Derived Unit
 > in terms of Base Units, then we would want to use cm instead of m, but
 > otherwise I'm afraid I'm missing something.
 
-My proposal allows (but the decision is still open) changing the units fo=
-r a
-single expression s:S -- 'setDimUnit(dim,u,s)'. It also allows changing t=
-he unit
-of a single dimension, say Length, in the current (loaded) unit system wi=
-thout
-affecting other derived dimensions that involve Length -- 'setUnit(dim,u)=
-'.
-Finally it allows changing the unit of a single dimension, say Length, an=
-d any
+My proposal allows (but the decision is still open) changing the units for a
+single expression s:S -- 'setDimUnit(dim,u,s)'. It also allows changing the unit
+of a single dimension, say Length, in the current (loaded) unit system without
+affecting other derived dimensions that involve Length -- 'setUnit(dim,u)'.
+Finally it allows changing the unit of a single dimension, say Length, and any
 other derived dimension that involves Length, such as Velocity --
-'setUnitAll(dim, u)'. In your example above, changing the unit of Length =
-from
-"m" to "cm" will report the unit of Force (the dimension of "N") either s=
-till as
-"N", if 'setUnit(Length,"cm")' is used in SI; or as kg-cm/s^2 (by changin=
-g the
-value of any expression with dimension Force by a conversion factor m2cm)=
-, if
-'setUnitAll(Length,"cm")' is used in SI; in which case, the new unit of "=
-Force"
-is "kg-cm/s^2" or "kilodyne", following SI prefix convention (basically c=
-hanging
+'setUnitAll(dim, u)'. In your example above, changing the unit of Length from
+"m" to "cm" will report the unit of Force (the dimension of "N") either still as
+"N", if 'setUnit(Length,"cm")' is used in SI; or as kg-cm/s^2 (by changing the
+value of any expression with dimension Force by a conversion factor m2cm), if
+'setUnitAll(Length,"cm")' is used in SI; in which case, the new unit of "Force"
+is "kg-cm/s^2" or "kilodyne", following SI prefix convention (basically changing
 SI, which is MKS based, to CGS).
 
 ---------- Scenario Example
 
 William Sit wrote:
 
-> > The following scenario will illustrate the potential problems and I'l=
-l put
+> > The following scenario will illustrate the potential problems and I'll put
 > > in some suggestions on how to solve some of these.
 > >
-> > Assuming the above extended Rep:  unit is initialialised to the stand=
-ard
-> > one for the system, factor initialized to (1.0, "1"), absfactor initi=
-alized
-> > to (absfactorvalue, absfactorname).  Let's assume the default unit sy=
-stem
-> > is FPS (foot-pound-second, a non-scientific system still used in the =
-US),
+> > Assuming the above extended Rep:  unit is initialialised to the standard
+> > one for the system, factor initialized to (1.0, "1"), absfactor initialized
+> > to (absfactorvalue, absfactorname).  Let's assume the default unit system
+> > is FPS (foot-pound-second, a non-scientific system still used in the US),
 > > see:
 > >
-> > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/foot-pound-second+sys=
-tem
+> > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/foot-pound-second+system
 > >
 > > When a user runs the command:
 > >
-> > (1)   ulen: :=3D setDim("Length", len)
+> > (1)   ulen: := setDim("Length", len)
 > >
 > > Axiom will return:
 > >
@@ -5917,291 +4036,200 @@ tem
 > >
 > > but internally, the Rep is
 > >
-> >     [value =3D len, dim =3D "Length", unit =3D "ft", factor =3D (1.0,=
-"1"),
-> >      absfactor =3D (0.3048, "ft2m")]
+> >     [value = len, dim = "Length", unit = "ft", factor = (1.0,"1"),
+> >      absfactor = (0.3048, "ft2m")]
 > >
-> > Here the absfactor says 1 ft is 0.3048 m. The name can be constructed=
-
-> > dynamically using string concatenation using the UnitConversion table=
-=2E
-> =
-
-> In general, I like this (I would prefer to simplify the 'setDim("Length=
-", len)'
-> syntax as mentioned in the previous email, but I don't know if anyone e=
-lse
+> > Here the absfactor says 1 ft is 0.3048 m. The name can be constructed
+> > dynamically using string concatenation using the UnitConversion table=2E
+> 
+> In general, I like this (I would prefer to simplify the 'setDim("Length", len)'
+> syntax as mentioned in the previous email, but I don't know if anyone else
 > agrees with me as to whether my proposal there makes any sense.)
 
-I assume you are referring to the 'setUnit(nm,N,inches)' suggestion. See =
-section
+I assume you are referring to the 'setUnit(nm,N,inches)' suggestion. See section
 on Updating variables and their units.
 
 [Following quotes edited for more consistent reading]
 
-> > In a STATIC change environment (this is, at compile time), if the use=
-r
+> > In a STATIC change environment (this is, at compile time), if the user
 > > prefers "in" GLOBALLY as the unit for length, the command
 > >
 > > (2) setUnit("Length", "in")
 > >
-> > will output: =
-
+> > will output: 
 
 > >     len ft2in [in]
 > >
 > > with the internal Rep now:
 > >
-> >    [value =3D len, dim =3D "Length", unit =3D "in", factor =3D (12, "=
-ft2in"),
-> >     absfactor =3D (0.0254, "in2m")]
+> >    [value = len, dim = "Length", unit = "in", factor = (12, "ft2in"),
+> >     absfactor = (0.0254, "in2m")]
 > >
-> > where 0.0254 can be computed from 0.3048 by dividing by 12, some othe=
-r
-> > means. The absfactor will faciliate converting FPS to SI, and hence t=
-o
+> > where 0.0254 can be computed from 0.3048 by dividing by 12, some other
+> > means. The absfactor will faciliate converting FPS to SI, and hence to
 > > other system as well.
 
-> > Here is a design question: we can let 'setUnit("Length", "in")' to mo=
-dify
-> > ONLY the unit of the "Length" dimension and not any derived dimension=
- that
+> > Here is a design question: we can let 'setUnit("Length", "in")' to modify
+> > ONLY the unit of the "Length" dimension and not any derived dimension that
 > > involves "Length". This would be the most flexible.
-> =
-
+> 
 > Yes, I agree - don't update the derived dimensions.
-> =
-
-> I'm not sure about the need for two factors, except perhaps as a matter=
- of
+> 
+> I'm not sure about the need for two factors, except perhaps as a matter of
 > efficiency in avoiding common conversion lookups - is that the reason?
 
-Yes, see also section below. Each expression requires one lookup at the t=
-ime its
-dimension and unit is set. All subsequent uses and display will avoid the=
- lookup
-again even if, in case of a variable, it is reassigned to a different val=
-ue. All
+Yes, see also section below. Each expression requires one lookup at the time its
+dimension and unit is set. All subsequent uses and display will avoid the lookup
+again even if, in case of a variable, it is reassigned to a different value. All
 necessary conversion is taken care of by the arithmetic operation in the
 UnitSystem domain.
 
-> > If the user prefers "cm" as the unit for length in an otherwise FPS s=
-ystem,
+> > If the user prefers "cm" as the unit for length in an otherwise FPS system,
 > > the command unitLength can be modified to produce:
 > >
 > > (3)   len ft2cm [cm]
 > >
 > > with the internal Rep now:
 > >
-> >    [value =3D len, dim =3D "Length", unit =3D "cm", factor =3D (30.48=
-, "ft2cm"),
-> >     absfactor =3D (0.01, "cm2m")]
+> >    [value = len, dim = "Length", unit = "cm", factor = (30.48, "ft2cm"),
+> >     absfactor = (0.01, "cm2m")]
 > >
-> > This is all not difficult for STATIC changes, that is, changes that a=
-re
-> > effected at Axiom start time. Now consider DYNAMIC changes: suppose a=
-gain
-> > the default is FPS system, and the user has already set the variable =
-ulen
+> > This is all not difficult for STATIC changes, that is, changes that are
+> > effected at Axiom start time. Now consider DYNAMIC changes: suppose again
+> > the default is FPS system, and the user has already set the variable ulen
 > > as in (1).
-> =
-
+> 
 > Hmm.  Need to roll around in my head some more :-/.
-> =
-
+> 
 > > Now if the user later runs:
 > >
-> > (4)    setUnit("Length","cm")  [function name updated from unitLength=
-]]
+> > (4)    setUnit("Length","cm")  [function name updated from unitLength]]
 > >
-> > What does this involve? You are now in a run-time environment, you ca=
-nnot
-> > change the code for 'setUnit' in the FPS domain, you can only change =
-data.
-> > (Code modification is in theory possible if you know enough, but I do=
-n't
-> > think that is a good practice in Axiom).  To handle FUTURE assignment=
-s, we
-> > can design the code for 'setUnit' to depend on a state vector for the=
-
+> > What does this involve? You are now in a run-time environment, you cannot
+> > change the code for 'setUnit' in the FPS domain, you can only change data.
+> > (Code modification is in theory possible if you know enough, but I don't
+> > think that is a good practice in Axiom).  To handle FUTURE assignments, we
+> > can design the code for 'setUnit' to depend on a state vector for the
 > > domain: this state vector stores one unit for each dimension, and is
-> > updated by the 'setUnit' and 'setUnitAll' commands. The 'setUnit' (an=
-d
-> > similar 'set' commands) can check this state vector before generating=
- the Rep.
-> =
-
+> > updated by the 'setUnit' and 'setUnitAll' commands. The 'setUnit' (and
+> > similar 'set' commands) can check this state vector before generating the Rep.
+> 
 > Sounds good, in broad.
-> =
-
-> > But what about those variables already defined, like ulen defined in =
-(1)?
+> 
+> > But what about those variables already defined, like ulen defined in (1)?
 > > If ulen is used in some computation requiring ulen to be an input
-> > parameter, then we can update it. For example, if the user now wants =
-to
-> > compute the area for a square with side ulen using one of the followi=
-ng
+> > parameter, then we can update it. For example, if the user now wants to
+> > compute the area for a square with side ulen using one of the following
 > > syntax:
 > >
-> >      uarea :=3D ulen * ulen
-> >      uarea :=3D setDimUnit("Area", ulen, ulen) [function name updated=
- from unitArea]
+> >      uarea := ulen * ulen
+> >      uarea := setDimUnit("Area", ulen, ulen) [function name updated from unitArea]
 > >
-> > the routine * or 'setDimUnit' can check the units of its arguments an=
-d update
+> > the routine * or 'setDimUnit' can check the units of its arguments and update
 > > them before computation. However, if the user simply types
 > >
 > >      ulen
 > >
-> > the interpreter can only redisplay the output (1). The interpreter ha=
-s no
-> > reason to call the FPS(S) domain to perform an update and change the =
-unit
+> > the interpreter can only redisplay the output (1). The interpreter has no
+> > reason to call the FPS(S) domain to perform an update and change the unit
 > > of ulen and display the output (3). Perhaps the domain FPS(S) should
 > > provide a function 'update(ulen)'.
-> =
-
+> 
 > Does that mean an interpreter update is needed.?
 >
-I hope not! The 'update()' function can handle that. We should not modify=
- the
-Interpreter for this project unless it is absolutely necessary, which so =
-far, I
-don't see. It is possible for the 'setDimUnit' function in the UnitSystem=
- domain
-to record all calls to the 'setDimUnit' command to create and maintain a =
-live
-list of variables or expressions, say as part of the state vector. An upd=
-ate can
-either be applied for just one variable in the domain, or all variables i=
-n this
+I hope not! The 'update()' function can handle that. We should not modify the
+Interpreter for this project unless it is absolutely necessary, which so far, I
+don't see. It is possible for the 'setDimUnit' function in the UnitSystem domain
+to record all calls to the 'setDimUnit' command to create and maintain a live
+list of variables or expressions, say as part of the state vector. An update can
+either be applied for just one variable in the domain, or all variables in this
 live list.
 
 
 ---------- Implementation issues: Updating variables and their units
 
-Some updating questions are raised and solutions suggested in the Scenari=
-o
+Some updating questions are raised and solutions suggested in the Scenario
 Example section above.
 
 > As for current variables, shouldn't they be updated automatically by
 > the global update?
 
-That is the idea. That is, a 'setUnitAll(dim, u)' command will change all=
- output
-and input variables/expressions that are of dimension dim to use unit u. =
-In the
-scenario Example section, we discussed the issues and some possible actio=
-ns. The
-basic design question to decide is: should this global command affect onl=
-y newer
+That is the idea. That is, a 'setUnitAll(dim, u)' command will change all output
+and input variables/expressions that are of dimension dim to use unit u. In the
+scenario Example section, we discussed the issues and some possible actions. The
+basic design question to decide is: should this global command affect only newer
 variables/expressions or should this retroactively set all existing
 variables/expressions? The basic implementation question is: what data
-structures will support these functionalities efficiently (bear in mind s=
-ome
+structures will support these functionalities efficiently (bear in mind some
 trade offs between memory and CPU time, as usual)? It seems the proposed
 state-vector can support the implementation, whatever the decisions.
 
 > I would have thought all you needed was a single command SetUnits()
 > command, which would take a minimum of one argument and a max of one
 > unit per available dimension, e.g.
-> =
-
-> SetUnits(nm,N,inches); =
-
+> 
+> SetUnits(nm,N,inches); 
 
 [NB, Axiom convention:function names should start with lower case]
 
-I do not quite follow. Your example has three arguments, all units of Len=
-gth. I
-think you are thinking of 'setUnitAll(dim, u)'? Maybe a simpler 'setAll(u=
-)' and
-let the system figure out the dimension of u? (But as explained below, th=
-is
-reverse lookup from unit to dimension is not unique; in that case, we can=
- make
-'setAll(u)' return an error message with some choices (probably not all p=
-ossible
-choices). So you would still need the version 'setUnitAll(dim,u)' after t=
-he user
+I do not quite follow. Your example has three arguments, all units of Length. I
+think you are thinking of 'setUnitAll(dim, u)'? Maybe a simpler 'setAll(u)' and
+let the system figure out the dimension of u? (But as explained below, this
+reverse lookup from unit to dimension is not unique; in that case, we can make
+'setAll(u)' return an error message with some choices (probably not all possible
+choices). So you would still need the version 'setUnitAll(dim,u)' after the user
 picks one of those choices.
 
 Your line:
 
   SetUnits(nm,N,inches);
 
-is, as far as I can follow, a global set. Surely, in this simple example,=
- Axiom
-can figure out that these (nm, N, inches) (aside: use "in" for "inches" -=
-- SI
-recommendations) are units for Length, but as explained, this is not poss=
-ible in
+is, as far as I can follow, a global set. Surely, in this simple example, Axiom
+can figure out that these (nm, N, inches) (aside: use "in" for "inches" -- SI
+recommendations) are units for Length, but as explained, this is not possible in
 general. My version 'setUnitAll(dim, u)" only does this for a particular
-dimension dim and a particular unit u. I don't know why you set the Lengt=
-h
-dimension to THREE different units. Are you imagining mixing units for th=
-e same
-dimension in one session? How are you going to tell which variable/expres=
-sion
-will use any one of these three units? Are you saying that ALL three unit=
-s
-should be reported for ANY variable/expressions of dimension Length? (Not=
-e: even
-if you are mixing units, the Rep will support it. I just want to know wha=
-t your
+dimension dim and a particular unit u. I don't know why you set the Length
+dimension to THREE different units. Are you imagining mixing units for the same
+dimension in one session? How are you going to tell which variable/expression
+will use any one of these three units? Are you saying that ALL three units
+should be reported for ANY variable/expressions of dimension Length? (Note: even
+if you are mixing units, the Rep will support it. I just want to know what your
 line meant.)
 
 > In the CurrentUnitSystem Dynamic UnitSystem (assuming things are in
 > default mode) the "state vectors" for the dimensions corresponding to
-> the units entered would be updated.  It's not clear to me why you would=
-
-> need any other arguments, unless you wanted to make sure the user knows=
-
-> the dimension of the unit they are inputing as a default.  =
-
+> the units entered would be updated.  It's not clear to me why you would
+> need any other arguments, unless you wanted to make sure the user knows
+> the dimension of the unit they are inputing as a default.  
 
 > Maybe I place too much emphasis on user
 > convenience but I as a user would prefer not to tell Axiom things it
 > already knows.
 
-Fair enough. We can ALWAYS add defaults. The example I gave in my last me=
-ssage
+Fair enough. We can ALWAYS add defaults. The example I gave in my last message
 (added above in Section on UnitSystem specification):
 
-   setDim(dim: Dimension, s:S):% =3D=3D setDimUnit: (dim, unit(dim), s)
-
-performs a lookup for the default unit for a given dimension in the curre=
-nt
-UnitSystem. The 'setAll(u)' above can handle cases where an automatic loo=
-kup
-results in a unique dimension to set the dimension field in Rep. However =
-we do
-not want to look up repeatedly each time we use a variable, so the result=
-s are
-memorized in Rep. =
-
-
-And, yes, users should know the dimension of the unit they are inputting.=
- One
-danger with something like 'setAll(u)',  which left out the dimension for=
- u, is
-that a simple typo say from 'setAll(cm^2)' to 'setAll(cm^3)' would not be=
- caught
-and play havoc in subsequent computations. Forcing the user to give the i=
-ntended
+   setDim(dim: Dimension, s:S):% == setDimUnit: (dim, unit(dim), s)
+
+performs a lookup for the default unit for a given dimension in the current
+UnitSystem. The 'setAll(u)' above can handle cases where an automatic lookup
+results in a unique dimension to set the dimension field in Rep. However we do
+not want to look up repeatedly each time we use a variable, so the results are
+memorized in Rep. 
+
+And, yes, users should know the dimension of the unit they are inputting. One
+danger with something like 'setAll(u)',  which left out the dimension for u, is
+that a simple typo say from 'setAll(cm^2)' to 'setAll(cm^3)' would not be caught
+and play havoc in subsequent computations. Forcing the user to give the intended
 dimension provides a better chance that these errors will be caught.
 
 > Maybe as a time saving alternative SetUnits could also
 > accept things of the form <UnitSystem>::Unit or some such, which would
-> limit the search space it would need to check?  =
-
+> limit the search space it would need to check?  
 
-I don't follow the syntax of <UnitSystem>::Unit. Is :: coercion in Axiom?=
- I have
-not heard of coercing a domain into a category. Perhaps you are thinking =
-of a
-package call to a domain in UnitSystems? That would be setAll(u)$domain. =
-But I
+I don't follow the syntax of <UnitSystem>::Unit. Is :: coercion in Axiom? I have
+not heard of coercing a domain into a category. Perhaps you are thinking of a
+package call to a domain in UnitSystems? That would be setAll(u)$domain. But I
 do not like this default setAll(u) for reasons above.
 
 > Or even better, if
@@ -6209,34 +4237,21 @@ do not like this default setAll(u) for reasons above.
 > of all defined units in all unit systems at compile time which can
 > quickly match up a unit up with a UnitSystem and Dimension.
 
-The UnitConversion domain (perhaps category) is for this purpose. I am st=
-ill
-thinking about whether UnitConversion should be a category with many doma=
-ins or
-just one domain. The many-domain approach may provide better efficiency f=
-or more
+The UnitConversion domain (perhaps category) is for this purpose. I am still
+thinking about whether UnitConversion should be a category with many domains or
+just one domain. The many-domain approach may provide better efficiency for more
 localized conversion systems and flexibility future additions.
 
-As we don't know all the expert areas now in existence, nor do we know wh=
-at new
-derived dimension or unit we may need (especially in 30 years' time), the=
-re is
-no way we can have such a universal toplevel hash table. We CAN implement=
- SI
-(all the default and acceptable dimensions and units) or even more, but s=
-uch a
-domain will need to be revised to allow newer dimensions and units. The d=
-esign
-proposed will allow this of course (any design in fact), but I still subs=
-cribe
-to the older Axiom philosophy that we do not modify existing libraries ex=
-cept
-for bugs, and extend existing libraries through additional implementation=
-=2E We
-should allow arbitrary UnitSystems (as I also indicated in my last email,=
-
-supermarket manager will need a totally different, "non-scientific" unit =
-system
+As we don't know all the expert areas now in existence, nor do we know what new
+derived dimension or unit we may need (especially in 30 years' time), there is
+no way we can have such a universal toplevel hash table. We CAN implement SI
+(all the default and acceptable dimensions and units) or even more, but such a
+domain will need to be revised to allow newer dimensions and units. The design
+proposed will allow this of course (any design in fact), but I still subscribe
+to the older Axiom philosophy that we do not modify existing libraries except
+for bugs, and extend existing libraries through additional implementation=2E We
+should allow arbitrary UnitSystems (as I also indicated in my last email,
+supermarket manager will need a totally different, "non-scientific" unit system
 with dimensions like "Coke", "DietCoke", etc.)
 
 
@@ -6244,113 +4259,73 @@ with dimensions like "Coke", "DietCoke", etc.)
 
 William Sit wrote:
 
-> >[Comments: I have not decided whether there should be more than one ca=
-tegory,
-> >and also what to call them. Also there is a difficulty with dimensions=
-(),
-> >units() because they do not return a domain, to be used in the signatu=
-res. So
-> >you may safely ignored the next paragraph for now. However, what I had=
- in mind
-> >was to allow many domains like Dimension =3D Union("Mass", etc) and co=
-rresponding
-> >Unit =3D Union("slug", etc) for people (students ?) who don't need the=
- full set,
-> >as well as the ability to add new supersets later. Unfortunately, we c=
-annot
+> >[Comments: I have not decided whether there should be more than one category,
+> >and also what to call them. Also there is a difficulty with dimensions(),
+> >units() because they do not return a domain, to be used in the signatures. So
+> >you may safely ignored the next paragraph for now. However, what I had in mind
+> >was to allow many domains like Dimension = Union("Mass", etc) and corresponding
+> >Unit = Union("slug", etc) for people (students ?) who don't need the full set,
+> >as well as the ability to add new supersets later. Unfortunately, we cannot
 > >have:
-> > =
-
-> >  Dimension(dims:List String) =3D=3D Union(dims)
-> > =
-
+> > 
+> >  Dimension(dims:List String) == Union(dims)
+> > 
 > >]
-> > =
-
+> > 
 > >FIRST (alternative): On the category level:
-> > =
-
+> > 
 > >There will be
-> > =
-
-> >(I) a UnitConversion category, whose details I have not investigated, =
-but its
-> >domains will contain tables for all dimensions for a particular expert=
- field,
-> >units, and conversion factors from SI. There will probably be one comp=
-rehensive
-> >such domain to start the ball rolling, but we will surely miss some di=
-mensions
-> >and units in some not-so-common expert areas or new areas. The categor=
-y will
+> > 
+> >(I) a UnitConversion category, whose details I have not investigated, but its
+> >domains will contain tables for all dimensions for a particular expert field,
+> >units, and conversion factors from SI. There will probably be one comprehensive
+> >such domain to start the ball rolling, but we will surely miss some dimensions
+> >and units in some not-so-common expert areas or new areas. The category will
 > >provide guidelines to add these new areas.
-> > =
-
-> >UnitSystem(S, D, U):Category =3D=3D Exports where
+> > 
+> >UnitSystem(S, D, U):Category == Exports where
 > >   S: SetCategory
 > >   D: List String
 > >   U: List String
-> > =
-
+> > 
 > >   dimensions: ()->List String
 > >   units: ()->List String
 > >   convertFactor: String -> Float
 > >
-> > For example, dimensions() =3D ["Mass", "Length", ...] (which replaces=
- Dimension =3D
-> >Union("Mass", "Length", ...), making this local to a unit system rathe=
-r than one
+> > For example, dimensions() = ["Mass", "Length", ...] (which replaces Dimension > >Union("Mass", "Length", ...), making this local to a unit system rather than one
 > >global list.
 > >
-> >(II) ??? Dimension(dims:List String) =3D=3D Union(dims)
-> =
-
+> >(II) ??? Dimension(dims:List String) == Union(dims)
+> 
 
 C Y wrote:
 
 > Dimensions
 > may not always map uniquely to Units, but Units DO map uniquely to
-> dimensions. =
-
-
-Your last remark is wrong, unless there are already standard terminology =
-such as
-in the case of Work vs Moment: standard energy-units exist as Joule, erg,=
- eV,
-etc. and moment-units exist as N-m, etc. In other cases, you may have to =
-create
-new standard names first. However, the problem still is: given some unit =
-in
-reduced basic dimensions such as (mass-length/time^2).length, say kg.m^2/=
-s^2, we
-do not know if the dimension should be Energy (either Work or Kinetic Ene=
-rgy or
-Potential Energy) or Moment. Vectorizing some of these dimensions may hel=
-p: Work
-is a force vector times a length vector, and so is moment, but the two le=
-ngth
-vectors have different directions with respect to the direction of the fo=
-rces.
+> dimensions. 
+
+Your last remark is wrong, unless there are already standard terminology such as
+in the case of Work vs Moment: standard energy-units exist as Joule, erg, eV,
+etc. and moment-units exist as N-m, etc. In other cases, you may have to create
+new standard names first. However, the problem still is: given some unit in
+reduced basic dimensions such as (mass-length/time^2).length, say kg.m^2/s^2, we
+do not know if the dimension should be Energy (either Work or Kinetic Energy or
+Potential Energy) or Moment. Vectorizing some of these dimensions may help: Work
+is a force vector times a length vector, and so is moment, but the two length
+vectors have different directions with respect to the direction of the forces.
 
 > Couldn't Axiom figure this out?  All it has to do is
-> determine the dimension of each argument, check that all dimensions are=
-
-> unique, and set the defaults (the setunits command in Maxima works this=
-
+> determine the dimension of each argument, check that all dimensions are
+> unique, and set the defaults (the setunits command in Maxima works this
 > way.)  We ARE back to some parser being able to check all units for a
-> match to the input unit, I guess. =
-
+> match to the input unit, I guess. 
 
 
-What you are describing is the "forward" direction, which is easy. The pr=
-oblem
-to map units back to dimension is the "backward" direction, which has no =
-clean
+What you are describing is the "forward" direction, which is easy. The problem
+to map units back to dimension is the "backward" direction, which has no clean
 solution (yet?). You will need a parser if the Dimensions and Units are
-represented by variables taking up namespace (as in Mathematica, and I as=
-sume,
-in your Maxima implementation). My proposal avoids this modification to t=
-he
+represented by variables taking up namespace (as in Mathematica, and I assume,
+in your Maxima implementation). My proposal avoids this modification to the
 Axiom Interpreter. (see also Namespace issues below).
 
 
@@ -6365,180 +4340,117 @@ William Sit wrote:
 > > called axiom.input (which is in the directory $AXIOM/input).
 > > So by putting ")set UnitSystem MYUnitSystem" in that file, Axiom
 > > will use MYUNitSystem as the default unit system when the
-> > functions 'setDimUnit' etc. are called.  MYUnitSystem can be SI, CGS,=
-
+> > functions 'setDimUnit' etc. are called.  MYUnitSystem can be SI, CGS,
 > > or some modified version of the standard SI (but once modified,
 > > it should be called something else).
 
 C Y wrote:
- =
-
+ 
 > This isn't quite what I was thinking - I was thinking by default Axiom
 > could use a unit system called CurrentUnitSystem, which would be
 > somewhat different in definition from SI, CGS, etc.  Doing
-> =
-
+> 
 > )set UnitSystem SI
-> =
-
+> 
 > would drop the user in a strict SI output only environment without the
 > possibility of local override, which I have no problem with.  (Might
 > even be a good idea to have available, really - call it a STATIC
-> UnitSystem definition.) =
-
+> UnitSystem definition.) 
 
-All Axiom variables are typed. So once a user started computating using a=
-
-UnitSystem domain, say A, all his computations will be in that unit syste=
-m. If
-he then change to SI, he would have to coerce them to SI, which may or ma=
-y not
-be possible, depending on what dimensions and units are in A. (So, the do=
-main A,
-and the UnitSystems category, may have to include functions like convertI=
-fCan: %
+All Axiom variables are typed. So once a user started computating using a
+UnitSystem domain, say A, all his computations will be in that unit system. If
+he then change to SI, he would have to coerce them to SI, which may or may not
+be possible, depending on what dimensions and units are in A. (So, the domain A,
+and the UnitSystems category, may have to include functions like convertIfCan: %
 -> SI).
 
 > What i would like CurrentUnitSystem to do is
 > be a DYNAMIC UnitSystem, using either the system you have outlined
 > below or something similar.  It would start out as an instance of the
-> SI definitions by default, but allow local overrides dynamically (hence=
-
+> SI definitions by default, but allow local overrides dynamically (hence
 > a Dynamic UnitSystem definition).  Also useful would be a
 > SaveUnitSystem(<NewUnitSystemName>) for later use - essentially
 > allowing a user to load a precustomized Dynamic UnitSystem Definition
 > as the working UnitSystem.  With a Dynamic UnitSystem Definition we
-> could have a MapUnitSystem(<UnitSystem name>) command to allow the user=
-
+> could have a MapUnitSystem(<UnitSystem name>) command to allow the user
 > to restore all STATIC SI definitions (say) to the CurrentUnitSystem.
 > Is that following what you had in mind?
 
-I think you want somehow to restrict some users (say students who are lea=
-rning
-about units and dimensions) not to allow them to "mess" with a UnitSystem=
- domain
-like SI. I don't see the necessity because most likely, such users will o=
-nly
-want to do their computations in whatever unit system is the default. Eve=
-n if
-they were to use 'setDimUnit', 'setUnit', and 'setUnitAll' (which would b=
-e a
-good experience), these only affect the interpreter session and will not =
-modify
-the SI domain at all. The state-vector does not survive an axiom reload s=
-ince no
-modification to the compiled code is performed. Also a user can save the =
-history
-of all inputs, including all 'set' commands (and also ')set' commands) an=
-d put
-them in axiom.input or a 'myunitmod.input' and read it in anytime. There =
-is no
-need, in this dynamic design, to modify ANY compiled domain in the UnitSy=
-stem
-category. When a user wants to have modification compiled into a modSI do=
-main,
-he will have to edit the SI.spad.pamphlet and change it into modSI.spad.p=
-amphlet
+I think you want somehow to restrict some users (say students who are learning
+about units and dimensions) not to allow them to "mess" with a UnitSystem domain
+like SI. I don't see the necessity because most likely, such users will only
+want to do their computations in whatever unit system is the default. Even if
+they were to use 'setDimUnit', 'setUnit', and 'setUnitAll' (which would be a
+good experience), these only affect the interpreter session and will not modify
+the SI domain at all. The state-vector does not survive an axiom reload since no
+modification to the compiled code is performed. Also a user can save the history
+of all inputs, including all 'set' commands (and also ')set' commands) and put
+them in axiom.input or a 'myunitmod.input' and read it in anytime. There is no
+need, in this dynamic design, to modify ANY compiled domain in the UnitSystem
+category. When a user wants to have modification compiled into a modSI domain,
+he will have to edit the SI.spad.pamphlet and change it into modSI.spad.pamphlet
 and compile it. However, I don't see the necessity. Your idea of
-'SaveUnitSystem(<newUnitSystemName>) is difficult (but not impossible) to=
-
+'SaveUnitSystem(<newUnitSystemName>) is difficult (but not impossible) to
 implement and involves automatically editing say SI.spad.pamphlet to
-modSI.spad.pamphlet and automatically compiling it. It is trivial for a u=
-ser to
+modSI.spad.pamphlet and automatically compiling it. It is trivial for a user to
 read in an input file instead.
 
-I note that each of our positions on this user environment issue has turn=
-ed 180
+I note that each of our positions on this user environment issue has turned 180
 degrees from earlier communications :-).
 
-The ')set unitsystem <UnitSystem name>' will only need to preload <UnitSy=
-stem
-name>. Tim already said that this can be added. Once loaded, it becomes w=
-hat you
-called CurrentUnitSystem (but without the name). The <UnitSystem name> ca=
-n be
-either static or dynamic, depending on whether the three 'set' commands a=
-re
-implemented or not in that domain. The SI system can be restored by simpl=
-y
-issuing another ')set unitsystem SI' command. In fact, another way to loa=
-d any
-unitsystem is simply to say ')library <UnitSystem name>', just like loadi=
-ng any
-other library, so we don't even need to add the ')set unitsystem' command=
-,
-although the ')set unitsystem' command perhaps can avoid some package cal=
-ls when
+The ')set unitsystem <UnitSystem name>' will only need to preload <UnitSystem
+name>. Tim already said that this can be added. Once loaded, it becomes what you
+called CurrentUnitSystem (but without the name). The <UnitSystem name> can be
+either static or dynamic, depending on whether the three 'set' commands are
+implemented or not in that domain. The SI system can be restored by simply
+issuing another ')set unitsystem SI' command. In fact, another way to load any
+unitsystem is simply to say ')library <UnitSystem name>', just like loading any
+other library, so we don't even need to add the ')set unitsystem' command,
+although the ')set unitsystem' command perhaps can avoid some package calls when
 the 'set' commands are used.
 
-A "dynamic" unit system domain becomes static if the user does not use an=
-y of
-the 'set' commands from the domain or if they are not implemented in the =
-domain.
+A "dynamic" unit system domain becomes static if the user does not use any of
+the 'set' commands from the domain or if they are not implemented in the domain.
 
 > Working in a Static UnitSystem no set commands are
-> either possible or necessary (and thus shouldn't work) and in a Dynamic=
-
-> UnitSystem (of which there will normally be only one - the working one)=
-
+> either possible or necessary (and thus shouldn't work) and in a Dynamic
+> UnitSystem (of which there will normally be only one - the working one)
 > the Static UnitSystems provide the information to use in the Dynamic
 > one?
 
-Right, see previous comments. A StaticUnitSystem domain in your sense is =
-nothing
+Right, see previous comments. A StaticUnitSystem domain in your sense is nothing
 but a table for pairing dimensions and units. So this is included in
-UnitConversion domain (basically a database). It would be just a differen=
-ce in
-names. =
-
+UnitConversion domain (basically a database). It would be just a difference in
+names. 
 
 
 
 > Since
-> Static UnitSystems wouldn't be changable in a normal session anyway (at=
-
+> Static UnitSystems wouldn't be changable in a normal session anyway (at
 > least without editing the source and reloading, which hopefully would
-> also mandate a rebuild of the hash tree) it would be a one time expense=
-
-> and would enable considerable user convenience at many levels.  =
-
-
-Of course, whatever has been compiled is static, but since we are to prov=
-ide
-(again, as you insist -- a good thing) dynamic changes to a loaded unit s=
-ystem,
-there is really no need to "automatically" modify library code to change =
-a
-static unit system. I remember you were oppose to this when I was defendi=
-ng the
-old proposal that you can compile as many UnitSystem domains as you like,=
-
-modifying standard ones as little or as much as you like. Since this auto=
-mation
-to modify library code to generate a new compilable spad source is diffic=
-ult
-(remind you that this should be a documented pamphlet file, requiring exp=
-ertise
-in using automatic editors), and may contribute to a proliferation of dom=
-ains
-only for personal use, I have moved to the dynamic model to satisfy user =
-needs.
-A user can easily set up the axiom.input file to load a bunch of interpre=
-ter
-code, which includes setDimUnit, setUnit, setUnitAll lines before proceed=
-ing.
-The user is in total control and no system level work (like automatic edi=
-ting
+> also mandate a rebuild of the hash tree) it would be a one time expense
+> and would enable considerable user convenience at many levels.  
+
+Of course, whatever has been compiled is static, but since we are to provide
+(again, as you insist -- a good thing) dynamic changes to a loaded unit system,
+there is really no need to "automatically" modify library code to change a
+static unit system. I remember you were oppose to this when I was defending the
+old proposal that you can compile as many UnitSystem domains as you like,
+modifying standard ones as little or as much as you like. Since this automation
+to modify library code to generate a new compilable spad source is difficult
+(remind you that this should be a documented pamphlet file, requiring expertise
+in using automatic editors), and may contribute to a proliferation of domains
+only for personal use, I have moved to the dynamic model to satisfy user needs.
+A user can easily set up the axiom.input file to load a bunch of interpreter
+code, which includes setDimUnit, setUnit, setUnitAll lines before proceeding.
+The user is in total control and no system level work (like automatic editing
 spad files) is required.
 
-Requiring rebuilding the hash tree is not a good idea because a domain is=
-
-supposedly stable once built. Plus, if someone adds a new UnitSystem doma=
-in, who
+Requiring rebuilding the hash tree is not a good idea because a domain is
+supposedly stable once built. Plus, if someone adds a new UnitSystem domain, who
 would be responsible to rebuild the single hash tree? If the new domain
 introduces new dimensions and units, it should create a corresponding
-UnitConversion domain (hash tree) and leave the standard hash table alone=
-=2E
+UnitConversion domain (hash tree) and leave the standard hash table alone=2E
 
 
 
@@ -6549,173 +4461,121 @@ UnitConversion domain (hash tree) and leave the standard hash table alone=
 > default namespace at their option, and that will DEFINITELY need
 > interpreter work.
 
-As you know, I am strongly against "gobbling up all the unit names in the=
-
-default namespace' even if it is 'at their option'.  If you are seriously=
-
-thinking about student use, you know the average students will exercise t=
-heir
-options without knowing or understanding what they are doing. There is no=
- way to
-consistently reserve SOME unit names in namespace, and not others. Any co=
-de to
-implement this will have to know the reserved names a priori and that mea=
-ns ALL
-the abbreviations in SI units at a minimum. You would have created a nigh=
-tmare
-in using the interpreter by requiring users to avoid any SI unit abbrevia=
-tions
-as user variables. No computer language ever has that many reserved words=
-=2E Note:
-Axiom function names are NOT reserved, but constructor (which may be cate=
-gory,
+As you know, I am strongly against "gobbling up all the unit names in the
+default namespace' even if it is 'at their option'.  If you are seriously
+thinking about student use, you know the average students will exercise their
+options without knowing or understanding what they are doing. There is no way to
+consistently reserve SOME unit names in namespace, and not others. Any code to
+implement this will have to know the reserved names a priori and that means ALL
+the abbreviations in SI units at a minimum. You would have created a nightmare
+in using the interpreter by requiring users to avoid any SI unit abbreviations
+as user variables. No computer language ever has that many reserved words=2E Note:
+Axiom function names are NOT reserved, but constructor (which may be category,
 domain or package) names and their abbreviations are.
 
-Modifying the interpreter because of a specific category or its domains i=
-s a bad
+Modifying the interpreter because of a specific category or its domains is a bad
 idea. Any modifications should be general purpose or fixing bugs.
- =
-
+ 
 > > As for tools to do the dynamic modification from standard unit
 > > systems like SI, here are several changes to the previous setup
 > > that will facilitate this and improve the organization of the
 > > domains as well.
-> =
-
+> 
 > Did you intend to use this setup for ALL UnitSystems or just what I've
 > termed Dynamic UnitSystems?  (Sorry if I should have caught this.)
 
-Yes. I believe this would make it easy for UnitSystem domains to inherit =
-the
-default implementations by a few simple modifications. (In the end, only =
-the
-actual coding will tell if this is possible).  I do not distinguish betwe=
-en
-static and dynamic. Every unitsystem domain is dynamic. But if you like, =
-you can
-have them separately specified. Then a StaticUnitSystem category would no=
-t have
+Yes. I believe this would make it easy for UnitSystem domains to inherit the
+default implementations by a few simple modifications. (In the end, only the
+actual coding will tell if this is possible).  I do not distinguish between
+static and dynamic. Every unitsystem domain is dynamic. But if you like, you can
+have them separately specified. Then a StaticUnitSystem category would not have
 the three 'set' functions exported and a DynamicUnitSystem category is a
-StaticUnitSystem with the three 'set' functions (and perhaps others). The=
-
+StaticUnitSystem with the three 'set' functions (and perhaps others). The
 problem with this dual approach is that if after computing with a
-StaticUnitSystem domain, a user suddenly decides to change the unit of on=
-e of
-the dimensions, he would have to either redo the computations, or to coer=
-ce
-everything from the static domain to a CORRESPONDING dynamic domain. Ther=
-e is no
-enforcable mechanism to guarantee that every static domain has a correspo=
-nding
-dynamic domain, and if this latter guarantee holds, then we are duplicati=
-ng all
-unit systems for something not that useful. Most users will want to have =
-more
-flexibility. I think even for student use, if they want to experiment wit=
-h
-changing units (at run time), why should that be forbidden? (for that mat=
-ter,
+StaticUnitSystem domain, a user suddenly decides to change the unit of one of
+the dimensions, he would have to either redo the computations, or to coerce
+everything from the static domain to a CORRESPONDING dynamic domain. There is no
+enforcable mechanism to guarantee that every static domain has a corresponding
+dynamic domain, and if this latter guarantee holds, then we are duplicating all
+unit systems for something not that useful. Most users will want to have more
+flexibility. I think even for student use, if they want to experiment with
+changing units (at run time), why should that be forbidden? (for that matter,
 Axiom being open sourced, why should ANYTHING be forbidden?)
 
 > In the
 > SetUnits usage it doesn't even need to use up toplevel namespace, and
-> if a user DID want to populate the toplevel namespace it would be a big=
-
+> if a user DID want to populate the toplevel namespace it would be a big
 > speedup for the interperter to be able to hash a symbol to check if it
 > is a unit.
 
-My proposal uses up NO user namespace for the dimensions or units. It use=
-s only
-strings as fake domain names. Strings are data items, not a name. The mor=
-e
-familiar one is the "failed" (a "domain"!) in Union(..., "failed"). This =
-is the
-built-in magic implementation of Union. A lookup requires only the case s=
-tatment
+My proposal uses up NO user namespace for the dimensions or units. It uses only
+strings as fake domain names. Strings are data items, not a name. The more
+familiar one is the "failed" (a "domain"!) in Union(..., "failed"). This is the
+built-in magic implementation of Union. A lookup requires only the case statment
 and presumably implemented efficiently already.
 
-There is perhaps one way to use variables (instead of strings) for dimens=
-ions
-and units, but they will be local to the domain (using domain namespace, =
-rather
-than user namespace) and they will not be assigned any value. The advanta=
-ge over
+There is perhaps one way to use variables (instead of strings) for dimensions
+and units, but they will be local to the domain (using domain namespace, rather
+than user namespace) and they will not be assigned any value. The advantage over
 strings is that they can be used to perform arithmetic operations of
-multiplication and division as symbols. Then general conversion factors c=
-an be
-computed by setting up a small number of conversion rules and by solving =
-an
-equation. =
-
+multiplication and division as symbols. Then general conversion factors can be
+computed by setting up a small number of conversion rules and by solving an
+equation. 
 
 Default relationship (tables) for conversion tables (which include both
-dimensions and units) and the dependencies like state-vectors, can use ha=
-sh
+dimensions and units) and the dependencies like state-vectors, can use hash
 tables.
 
 ---------- Implementation Issue: Simplification of dimensions
 
 C Y wrote:
 
-> > > I think this is a weak spot in my understanding of dimensionality, =
-so I
-> > > apologize if I'm being dense here.  If we take C=3D%pi*d where C is=
- a
+> > > I think this is a weak spot in my understanding of dimensionality, so I
+> > > apologize if I'm being dense here.  If we take C=%pi*d where C is a
 > > > circumference, %pi is %pi, and d is diameter, and look at the
 > > > dimensions, we have:
 > > >
 > > >           degree
-> > > Length =3D  ------ Length
+> > > Length =  ------ Length
 > > >           radian
 > > >
 > > > Casually, this doesn't look at all balanced.
 
 William Sit wrote:
 
-> > Of course not. But that is exactly the point: a dimensionless constan=
-t
-> > takes on different dimensions in different conversions or equations. =
-So
-> > even thought these have the same VALUE pi, the pi in C =3D pi*d and t=
-he pi in
-> > 180 deg =3D pi radians are different because their (hidden) dimension=
-s are
+> > Of course not. But that is exactly the point: a dimensionless constant
+> > takes on different dimensions in different conversions or equations. So
+> > even thought these have the same VALUE pi, the pi in C = pi*d and the pi in
+> > 180 deg = pi radians are different because their (hidden) dimensions are
 > > different. In each equation, only their values are the same.
 
 C Y recently wrote:
 
-> OK - so how to we represent this in a  CAS?  Or more specifically, what=
- about
-> the fact that a dimensionless constant has dimension that cancels is us=
-eful
+> OK - so how to we represent this in a  CAS?  Or more specifically, what about
+> the fact that a dimensionless constant has dimension that cancels is useful
 > for us to display, and how do we go about it?
 
 We can do this:
 
-  piInEqn1:=3D setDimUnit("Length/Length", "m/m", %pi)
-
-or =
+  piInEqn1:= setDimUnit("Length/Length", "m/m", %pi)
 
+or 
 
-  piInEqn1:=3D setDimUnit("1", "1", %pi)
+  piInEqn1:= setDimUnit("1", "1", %pi)
 
-but =
+but 
 
+  piInEqn2:= setDimUnit("Degree/Radian", "deg/rad", %pi)
 
-  piInEqn2:=3D setDimUnit("Degree/Radian", "deg/rad", %pi)
-
-Perhaps we can add a field to Rep that gives the reduced dimension as wel=
-l? or
+Perhaps we can add a field to Rep that gives the reduced dimension as well? or
 provide a function
 
   reduce: Dimension->Dimension
 
 (which in any case, will be useful and necessary).
- =
-
+ 
 > > > Does it mean that when we
-> > > define the dimensionality of the variable C we need to define it as=
-:
+> > > define the dimensionality of the variable C we need to define it as:
 > > >
 > > >  degree
 > > >  ------ Length
@@ -6723,120 +4583,77 @@ provide a function
 > > >
 > > > rather than just Length?
 > >
-> > No, dimension of C is length and is not dependent on any equation it =
-is in.
-> > This is a major difference between physical quantities and mathematic=
-al
+> > No, dimension of C is length and is not dependent on any equation it is in.
+> > This is a major difference between physical quantities and mathematical
 > > constants.
-> =
-
-> So we are going to have to distinguish between them somehow?  What do w=
-e want
+> 
+> So we are going to have to distinguish between them somehow?  What do we want
 > there?
 
-See comments to previous question. The function reduce("Length/Length") w=
-ill
-return "1" so that the variable C in C:=3D piInEqn1 * d will give C the d=
-imension
+See comments to previous question. The function reduce("Length/Length") will
+return "1" so that the variable C in C:= piInEqn1 * d will give C the dimension
 of "Length".
- =
-
+ 
 > > Perhaps we should start using the term "dimension" to mean the
-> > one used in the definition, which may involve derived dimensions, and=
- the
-> > term "reduced dimension" to mean a simplified form in terms of the ba=
-sic
-> > dimensions. Then we can say the reduced dimensions of pi in both equa=
-tions
+> > one used in the definition, which may involve derived dimensions, and the
+> > term "reduced dimension" to mean a simplified form in terms of the basic
+> > dimensions. Then we can say the reduced dimensions of pi in both equations
 > > are the same, namely 1 (or dimensionless), but the dimensions are
-> > different. This terminology would work to say work and moment have th=
-e same
-> > reduced dimensions, but their dimensions are different (when vectors =
-are
-> > used to indicate the direction of the distance with respect to the fo=
-rces).
-> > How vectors may be expressed in dimensions is another thing to study.=
-
-> =
-
-> YES!  This is an excellent suggestion, and might provide a way to addre=
-ss an
+> > different. This terminology would work to say work and moment have the same
+> > reduced dimensions, but their dimensions are different (when vectors are
+> > used to indicate the direction of the distance with respect to the forces).
+> > How vectors may be expressed in dimensions is another thing to study.
+> 
+> YES!  This is an excellent suggestion, and might provide a way to address an
 > issue that has been bothering me:
-> =
-
-> Let's say we work with both work and moment, in two different equations=
-, and
-> both calculations would simplify down to length if we cancel out units.=
-
-> Presumably those lengths have the same dimension, but they sprang from =
-two
-> different equations that would not be the same dimensionally if I were =
-to use
-> proper derived dimension simplification rules, despite their both windi=
-ng up
-> with a length falling out.  I think being able to say work and moment h=
-ave
-> the same reduced dimensions would allow us to perform calculations, sim=
-ply
-> noting that the length is a reduced length by virtue of being calculate=
-d from
+> 
+> Let's say we work with both work and moment, in two different equations, and
+> both calculations would simplify down to length if we cancel out units.
+> Presumably those lengths have the same dimension, but they sprang from two
+> different equations that would not be the same dimensionally if I were to use
+> proper derived dimension simplification rules, despite their both winding up
+> with a length falling out.  I think being able to say work and moment have
+> the same reduced dimensions would allow us to perform calculations, simply
+> noting that the length is a reduced length by virtue of being calculated from
 > a quantity involving ambiguous substitution.
-> =
-
-> Hopefully that was clear enough to express my concerns.  I don't know i=
-f they
-> would crop up or not in the "real world" - if this is too confusing I c=
-an try
+> 
+> Hopefully that was clear enough to express my concerns.  I don't know if they
+> would crop up or not in the "real world" - if this is too confusing I can try
 > and construct an example (gulp).
 
-Yes, unless given other examples, I think this is a way to get out of the=
-
-dilemma. Of course, the strong typing of Axiom already drove developers n=
-uts,
-and I'm afraid, surely, the strict setup to dimensions and units may like=
-ly do
-so to scientists or economists. This is the price to pay for insisting on=
- formal
+Yes, unless given other examples, I think this is a way to get out of the
+dilemma. Of course, the strong typing of Axiom already drove developers nuts,
+and I'm afraid, surely, the strict setup to dimensions and units may likely do
+so to scientists or economists. This is the price to pay for insisting on formal
 correctness.
 
 > > >Could unit and dimension cancelation be handled
 > > >on a per dimension basis?
 
 > > May be, or may be not. It depends on the physical meanings of the
-> > variables. If I have price at $5/m multiplied by 7 m, I should get $3=
-5. If
-> > I have 8 N divided by 2 m^2 for pressure, and N has dimension kg-m/s^=
-2, is
+> > variables. If I have price at $5/m multiplied by 7 m, I should get $35. If
+> > I have 8 N divided by 2 m^2 for pressure, and N has dimension kg-m/s^2, is
 > > it ok to cancel one of the m? So a single rule of Length (m) is not
 > > applicable to all cases.
-> =
-
-> This will need to be handled, somehow.  Are there any good references t=
-hat
+> 
+> This will need to be handled, somehow.  Are there any good references that
 > contain the applicable rules for us to implement?
 
-I don't know, and I have not tried hard enough to google. This must be qu=
-ite
-thoroughly studied already. There is a 1941 paper on "theory of dimension=
-s" in
-Proc. Phys. Soc. by G. Brown, Vol 53, p. 418. =
-
+I don't know, and I have not tried hard enough to google. This must be quite
+thoroughly studied already. There is a 1941 paper on "theory of dimensions" in
+Proc. Phys. Soc. by G. Brown, Vol 53, p. 418. 
 http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0959-5309/53/4/307
 
-Don't know if it is useful. It reduces all dimensions to Length and Time,=
- which
-are related, said the author, via the speed of light. Does any one know m=
-ore
+Don't know if it is useful. It reduces all dimensions to Length and Time, which
+are related, said the author, via the speed of light. Does any one know more
 about this article?
 
-There is also a theory of dimensions for economic quantities, published i=
-n 1871!
+There is also a theory of dimensions for economic quantities, published in 1871!
 (III.43):
 
 http://www.econlib.org/library/YPDBooks/Jevons/jvnPE3.html
 
-and historically, it seems Fourier introduced the theory of dimensions in=
- 1822
+and historically, it seems Fourier introduced the theory of dimensions in 1822
 (Th=E9orie de Chaleur, Article 160). The article below is worth reading:
 
 http://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/webonly/wex80905.html
@@ -6844,120 +4661,59 @@ http://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/webonly/wex80905.html
 Fourier's notion of homogeneity should strike a resonance.
 
 Whether any such references will help us develop the rules to simplify
-dimensions, I don't know. From what we have discussed, it seems any rule =
-will
-need some expert knowledge (in the example I gave, the expert knowledge i=
-s
-simply what pressure is). So I believe the best solution may be to "leave=
- it to
-the users", and let them create their own names and simplification rules.=
- This
-means that in a UnitSystem domain, there ought to be facilities to handle=
- rules
-of simplifications, where some common defaults can be implemented. Axiom =
-has a
-RewriteRule domain that can help. RewriteRule can also be used efficientl=
-y to
-perform conversion. (I once wrote a UnitConversion.nb in Mathematica for =
-a
-course using this idea: all conversion factors between the two units for =
-the
-same dimension is then a simple Solve[unit1 =3D x unit2, x])
-
-
-> > Actually, you scenarios are not narrow but general and right! There s=
-hould
-> > be no difference between units as used by students and units as used =
-by
+dimensions, I don't know. From what we have discussed, it seems any rule will
+need some expert knowledge (in the example I gave, the expert knowledge is
+simply what pressure is). So I believe the best solution may be to "leave it to
+the users", and let them create their own names and simplification rules. This
+means that in a UnitSystem domain, there ought to be facilities to handle rules
+of simplifications, where some common defaults can be implemented. Axiom has a
+RewriteRule domain that can help. RewriteRule can also be used efficiently to
+perform conversion. (I once wrote a UnitConversion.nb in Mathematica for a
+course using this idea: all conversion factors between the two units for the
+same dimension is then a simple Solve[unit1 = x unit2, x])
+
+
+> > Actually, you scenarios are not narrow but general and right! There should
+> > be no difference between units as used by students and units as used by
 > > researchers. The idea of units is not limited to even SI. Currency
-> > conversions are conversions in monetary units. But we should be able =
-to use
-> > Axiom's unit system for grocery as well (Back to my unfinished idea o=
-n
-> > different Dimension domains)! Dimension=3DUnion("Orange", "120z-Coke"=
-, ...)
-> > is as useful as Dimension=3DUnion("Mass", "Length", ...). (Yes, a sup=
-ermarket
-> > manager using  Axiom, that'll be the day: not so far-fetched if you t=
-hink of
+> > conversions are conversions in monetary units. But we should be able to use
+> > Axiom's unit system for grocery as well (Back to my unfinished idea on
+> > different Dimension domains)! Dimension=Union("Orange", "120z-Coke", ...)
+> > is as useful as Dimension=Union("Mass", "Length", ...). (Yes, a supermarket
+> > manager using  Axiom, that'll be the day: not so far-fetched if you think of
 > > the operation  research problems involved).
-> =
-
-> Heh - neat :-).  But it does raise some awkward questions, which came u=
-p
+> 
+> Heh - neat :-).  But it does raise some awkward questions, which came up
 > briefly earlier but escaped my notice:
-> =
-
-> You mentioned $ interacting with meters, and in a previous email kilobi=
-ts and
-> kilobytes were also mentioned.  Unfortunately, neither money nor bits o=
-f
-> information are covered by any combination of SI units I am aware of.  =
-So
+> 
+> You mentioned $ interacting with meters, and in a previous email kilobits and
+> kilobytes were also mentioned.  Unfortunately, neither money nor bits of
+> information are covered by any combination of SI units I am aware of.  So
 > perhaps our top level category should be not simply Dimensions but
-> PhysicalDimensions, and we could perhaps implement some other Categorie=
-s for
-> Dimensions not covered by SI (like money and bits, both of which are Ba=
-sic
-> Units as far as I can tell).  Money might be defined in terms of other =
-things
-> in some sense, but that definition is as complex as society itself and =
-ever
-> changing.  Fascinating issues, but perhaps those should wait for later.=
-
-> Indeed, does it even make sense to include a concept like money in a sy=
-stem
-> intending to stick to strict mathematics as much as possible?  I suppos=
-e yes
-> since we can think of practical uses, but thinking about it is making m=
-y head
+> PhysicalDimensions, and we could perhaps implement some other Categories for
+> Dimensions not covered by SI (like money and bits, both of which are Basic
+> Units as far as I can tell).  Money might be defined in terms of other things
+> in some sense, but that definition is as complex as society itself and ever
+> changing.  Fascinating issues, but perhaps those should wait for later.
+> Indeed, does it even make sense to include a concept like money in a system
+> intending to stick to strict mathematics as much as possible?  I suppose yes
+> since we can think of practical uses, but thinking about it is making my head
 > hurt ;-).
-> =
-
+> 
 
 "Now, you're thinking!" :-)
 
-In my case, thinking about these things make me stare at the screen and t=
-hen
-fall asleep! But you got a point here, building unit systems should inclu=
-de, or
-at least allow future inclusion, of systems outside of the usual scientif=
-ic
+In my case, thinking about these things make me stare at the screen and then
+fall asleep! But you got a point here, building unit systems should include, or
+at least allow future inclusion, of systems outside of the usual scientific
 sphere. So having an WallStreetDimensions, SupermarketDimensions,
-FontsMetricDimensions systems would be fun but we don't have to implement=
- them
+FontsMetricDimensions systems would be fun but we don't have to implement them
 right away.
 
-
-William
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 Subject: successfully built axiomUI on Fedora 3 x86-64
 
 Kai,
@@ -7077,8 +4833,7 @@ M  src/web-gui/Makefile.pamphlet
 @@ -10,8 +10,8 @@
  \section{Makefile}
 
- <<*>>=
--TANGLE=notangle -t8
+ <<*>>-TANGLE=notangle -t8
 -WEAVE=noweave -delay
 +TANGLE=${AXIOM}/bin/lib/notangle -t8
 +WEAVE=${AXIOM}/bin/lib/noweave -delay
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-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/202AxiomTutorialPDFOnWindowsBitmapFontsUsed/diff
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-The Axiom Tutorial uses bitmap fonts, as LaTeX does by default when exporting to PDF. 
+The Axiom Tutorial uses bitmap fonts, as LaTeX does by default when
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+This means the PDF looks horrible on screen, and is probably larger
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@@ -7237,41 +4898,9 @@ I have the machinery to do this and it's a waste of Kai's time.
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@@ -7303,49 +4932,17 @@ Keywords: daly, broadbery
 20050829 pab src/interp/daase.lisp modify create-initializers for Aldor
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 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:05:18 +0200
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 To: William Sit
 Subject: Re: axiom on Mac OSX
-	<43121C83.26D201EC@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
-Cc: list
 
->=20
-> Can someone point out how to "dummy" out these, I believe non-existing un=
-der
-> MacOSX, files to force the compile to continue? or replacement files? (fo=
-r a
-> start, some version of localtime.c that wct.c would like.  MACOSX must ha=
-ve some
+> Can someone point out how to "dummy" out these, I believe non-existing under
+> MacOSX, files to force the compile to continue? or replacement files? (for a
+> start, some version of localtime.c that wct.c would like.  MACOSX must have some
 > equivalent time functions.
->=20
+>
 
 Hi all,
 
@@ -7359,39 +4956,10 @@ it is from a 3 or 4 months old check out)
 
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 Bill Page writes:
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-Subject: [#202 Axiom Tutorial PDF on Windows - Bitmap
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 There are several Axiom Tutorials. See
 
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@@ -7590,44 +5100,12 @@ patches (although not the full aldor integration).
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 Emil, et. al.
 
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 Subject: Re: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
+Cc: Allen Rouse
 
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@@ -7750,119 +5191,37 @@ echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/randomize_va_space
 
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+\start
+Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:46:46 -0400
 From: Cliff Yapp
-To: William Sit,
- Cliff Yapp
+To: William Sit
 Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 02:46:46 -0400
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 On Sunday 04 September 2005 01:22 am, William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -8542,40 +5901,11 @@ when we get done.  (Derived Dimension simplification rules in SI will require
 a few more commands, based on my Maxima experience, and that didn't have 
 anywhere near the flexibility this will have.)
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 I have snipped without indication, a lot of the paragraphs that we agreed on.
 
@@ -9121,116 +6451,48 @@ UnitSystem category. We have discussed the may functions, but there will be
 support functions, which are not too hard to implement and can be added quite
 naturally.
 
-I look forward to seeing this becoming a reality. It has been quite an
-interesting discussion.
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+interesting discussion.
 
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+Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:32:49 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
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-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] Huge Axiom Package
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
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-The latest Axiom download package is HUGE to be downloaded over a slow dial-up connection. I downloaded it over several days just to realize that much of the material I downloaded was already with me.
-The download system could have been even more flexible such as that of the cygwin package. The person who is downloading should have the choice of what he can download instead of compelling him to download everything. For eg, he can downlaod only bin, or bin+doc(dvi or pdf or ps or html as per his requirement). It would have been even better if the users could upgrade the previous versions instead of downloading it afresh (through a system more convinient than the CVS)
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+The latest Axiom download package is HUGE to be downloaded over a slow
+dial-up connection. I downloaded it over several days just to realize
+that much of the material I downloaded was already with me.  The
+download system could have been even more flexible such as that of the
+cygwin package. The person who is downloading should have the choice
+of what he can download instead of compelling him to download
+everything. For eg, he can downlaod only bin, or bin+doc(dvi or pdf or
+ps or html as per his requirement). It would have been even better if
+the users could upgrade the previous versions instead of downloading
+it afresh (through a system more convinient than the CVS) By the way
+don't ignore the people who have MikTex installed on there systems.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:11:21 -0500
 From: MathAction (Tim Daly)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:11:21 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
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-??changed:
--  * "April 2005
--sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz&it=April+2005+Sources
--
--    The April release moves Axiom from GCL-2.6.5 to GCL-2.6.6, 
   * "September 2005
 sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Sept2005-src.tgz&it=April+2005+Sources
 
     The April release moves Axiom from GCL-2.6.6 to GCL-2.6.7, 
 
-??changed:
--       2) tar -zxf axiom-Apr2005-src.tgz
        2) tar -zxf axiom-Sept2005-src.tgz
 
---removed:
--  * "February 2005 sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-20050201-src.tgz&it=February+2005+source+code
--
--    This is a source tree for the axiom system. It represents the first "feature complete" version and 
--    includes integrated graphics and a document browser.
--
-
-??changed:
--    (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+9+binary
     (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Sept2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+9+binary
 
-??changed:
--         2) tar -zxf axiom-Apr2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz
          2) tar -zxf axiom-Sept2005-Redhat9-bin.tgz
 
-??changed:
--    (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Apr2005-Redhat7.3-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+7.3+binary
     (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Sept2005-Redhat7.3-bin.tgz&it=RedHat+7.3+binary
 
-??changed:
--         2) tar -zxf axiom-Apr2005-Redhat7.3-bin.tgz
          2) tar -zxf axiom-Sept2005-Redhat7.3-bin.tgz
 
-++added:
   - "Fedora Core 4
    (binary)":http:/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-website/DOWNLOADS/axiom-Sept2005-FC4-bin.tgz&it=Fedora+Core+3+binary
 
@@ -9243,37 +6505,10 @@ sources":/zope/mathaction/Mirrors?go=http://axiom.axiom-developer.org/axiom-webs
          5) export PATH=\$AXIOM/bin:\$PATH
          6) axiom
 
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+\start
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+From: Bill Page
+To: Peter Broadbery
 Subject: RE: aldor for axiom
 
 On September 2, 2005 10:49 AM Peter Broadbery wrote:
@@ -9299,42 +6534,10 @@ It occurs to me that it might be quite appropriate to use
 Aldor itself to write the dependency generation program.
 Can you see any impediment to my doing this?
 
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 Subject: trying to add a new output format
 
 Hello *,
@@ -9553,46 +6756,10 @@ diff --recursive -U4 axiom--main--1--patch-45/src/interp/setvart.boot.pamphlet a
    )set output openmath on
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 > But I have a lot of questions (naturally). First, when I edit some
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 Bill,
 
@@ -9749,39 +6816,12 @@ Good catch. You think I'd have learned to read by now.
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 Good catch. You think I'd have learned to read by now.
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+Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:22:15 -0400
 From: Cliff Yapp
 To: William Sit
 Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
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 Subject: RE: aldor for axiom
 
 On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 10:46 -0400, Bill Page wrote:
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 > make the ISSAC CDs much more than just an electronic copy of a paper
 > journal. If this works then the ACM can spread the technology to the
 > other computational science areas.
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+Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:20:03 -0500
 From: MathAction (Bill Page)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 04:20:03 -0500
-Cc: 
-Subject: [AxiomDownload] Re: Huge Axiom Package (on
-	Windows)
+Subject: [AxiomDownload] Re: Huge Axiom Package (on Windows)
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 The idea to have an interactive installation for Axiom (like Cygwin setup
 or like "synaptic":http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic on Debian) is a good one
 but implementation would be a lot of work! For one thing, such an installer
@@ -10916,40 +7712,12 @@ to do this.
 In the meantime, instead of downloading the binary distribution, perhaps
 you might find it more convenient and interesting to build Axiom from
 source. The detailed instructions are here: BuildAxiom.
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+Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:20:39 -0400
 From: Cliff Yapp
 To: William Sit
 Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:20:39 -0400
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 On Wednesday 07 September 2005 02:15 am, William Sit wrote:
 > C Y wrote:
@@ -11209,41 +7977,11 @@ I'm thinking Axiom should be able to take it from there.
 Well, I'm trying to avoid abject public humiliation, too ;-)  I'd rather have 
 something at least semi-polished for the wiki.
 
-Cheers,
-CY
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 Just a quick answer for now:
 
@@ -11528,48 +8266,12 @@ C Y wrote:
 > 
 > Well, I'm trying to avoid abject public humiliation, too ;-)  I'd rather have
 > something at least semi-polished for the wiki.
-> 
-> Cheers,
-> CY
 
--- 
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-City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179
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 From: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 To: William Sit
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 
@@ -11616,52 +8318,12 @@ not-seeing-things-clearly questions :-/.  I've got to think about how
 to structure this sucker first, since it is clear there will be
 extensions to add for quite some time.
 
-Cheers,
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+\start
+Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:47:23 -0500
 From: MathAction (kai Kaminski)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:47:23 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom In Emacs] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomInEmacs/diff
---
-
-??changed:
--<h3>Editing Axiom's Source Code</h3>
--
--Emacs can be configured to make editing Axiom's source code much easier. First of all you have to put <a href="boot-mode.el"><tt>boot-mode.el</tt></a> and <tt>noweb-mode.el</tt> (included in the noweb distribution, which in turn is included in the Axiom distribution) into your <tt>load-path</tt>. Then you add the following to your <tt>.emacs</tt>:
--
-<h3>Editing Pamphlets</h3>
-
 All of Axiom's source files are pamphlets now, which means they
 are <a href="http://literateprogramming.com">literate programs</a> as
 understood
@@ -11673,8 +8335,6 @@ The first step is to put <tt>noweb-mode.el</tt>, which is contained in
 the Noweb distribution, into your <tt>load-path</tt>. Then add the
 following to your <tt>.emacs</tt> to load <tt>noweb-mode</tt>:
 
-??changed:
--
 (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
   '(".*\\.pamphlet" . noweb-mode))
 </pre>
@@ -11712,8 +8372,6 @@ simple form of auto detection. Simply add the following to
 your <tt>.emacs</tt>:
 <pre>
 
-??changed:
--
 </pre>
 This code does not override file variables. It uses
 the <tt>auto-mode-alist</tt>-mechanism to choose the code mode and
@@ -11735,8 +8393,7 @@ finds oneself in a situation, where a pamphlet looks like this:
   \author{John Doe}
   \maketitle
 
-<<*>>=
-source code
+<<*>>source code
 @
 </pre>
 The pamphlet doesn't contain any documentation and just one big code
@@ -11791,17 +8448,6 @@ your <tt>load-path</tt> and add the following to
 your <tt>.emacs</tt>:
 <pre>
 
-??changed:
--
--;; AUTO-MODE-ALIST
--
--(setq auto-mode-alist
--      (list*
--       '(".*\\.pamphlet" . noweb-mode)
--       '(".*\\.boot" . boot-mode)
--       '(".*\\.lisp" . lisp-mode)
--       '(".*\\.c" . c-mode)
--       auto-mode-alist))
 (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
   '(".*\\.boot" . boot-mode))
 
@@ -11810,43 +8456,11 @@ your <tt>.emacs</tt>:
 Currently this mode doesn't do anything beyond very rudimentary syntax
 high-lighting and making <tt>comment-region</tt> work.
 
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+\start
 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 01:39:30 -0400
 From: William Sit
+To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
-To: Cliff Yapp, list
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 > C Y wrote:
 
@@ -11940,22 +8554,24 @@ understand the implications of a strongly typed language.
 > setDim("Length",4), since 4 is not a variable, but in the case of x it should
 > (at least IMHO) work.
 
-The problem is with subsequent arithmetic (not to mention the grander vector
-calculus) that involves quantities whose dimensions or units have not been
-defined, whether they be numbers or expressions. In some sense, this is again
-forcing the user to know what he is doing, to think of dimensions and units in
-every step of the computation. But users used to the sloppy way will find this
-very frustrating.  In the simple example above, s+7, the dimension and unit of 7
-are not given. Is it good idea to "help" the user and "guess" that 7 should have
-the same dimension and unit as s? If so, wouldn't that allow a sloppy user to
-add s [ft] to 7 [in] and get (s+7) [ft]? 
+The problem is with subsequent arithmetic (not to mention the grander
+vector calculus) that involves quantities whose dimensions or units
+have not been defined, whether they be numbers or expressions. In some
+sense, this is again forcing the user to know what he is doing, to
+think of dimensions and units in every step of the computation. But
+users used to the sloppy way will find this very frustrating.  In the
+simple example above, s+7, the dimension and unit of 7 are not
+given. Is it good idea to "help" the user and "guess" that 7 should
+have the same dimension and unit as s? If so, wouldn't that allow a
+sloppy user to add s [ft] to 7 [in] and get (s+7) [ft]?
 
 I think we should not provide such automation: two reasons: simplifies
-implementation, and forces the user to be specific on dimensions and units. So a
-user MUST declare, using setDimUnit, EVERY quantity he wants to compute using a
-unit system. If all inputs to an expression are declared ahead of time, the
-arithmetic will take place in the unit system domain and parsing done by the
-Interpreter, without the use of setValue. 
+implementation, and forces the user to be specific on dimensions and
+units. So a user MUST declare, using setDimUnit, EVERY quantity he
+wants to compute using a unit system. If all inputs to an expression
+are declared ahead of time, the arithmetic will take place in the unit
+system domain and parsing done by the Interpreter, without the use of
+setValue.
 
 It would be desirable to allow:
 
@@ -11992,58 +8608,12 @@ better to have fewer options and the system behaves consistently.
 
 I suppose the above is obsolete now?
 
-[snipped]
-
-William
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-Department of Mathematics....Email: William Sit
-City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179
-Convent Ave at West 138th Street........Fax: 212-862-0004
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+\start
+Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 04:04:10 -0500
 From: MathAction (kai Kaminski)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 04:04:10 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [Axiom In Emacs] 
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomInEmacs/diff
---
-
-??changed:
--The first step is to put <tt>noweb-mode.el</tt>, which is contained in
--the Noweb distribution, into your <tt>load-path</tt>. Then add the
--following to your <tt>.emacs</tt> to load <tt>noweb-mode</tt>:
--<pre>
--;; NOWEB-MODE
--(require 'noweb-mode)
--(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
--  '(".*\\.pamphlet" . noweb-mode))
--</pre>
 The first step is to put 'noweb-mode.el', which is contained in
 the Noweb distribution, into your 'load-path'. Then add the
 following to your '.emacs' to load 'noweb-mode'::
@@ -12054,45 +8624,18 @@ following to your '.emacs' to load 'noweb-mode'::
     '(".*\\\\.pamphlet" . noweb-mode))
 
 
-??changed:
--First of all you can use the Emacs command <tt>noweb-set-code-mode</tt>, which
 First of all you can use the Emacs command 'noweb-set-code-mode', which
 
-??changed:
--call <tt>noweb-insert-mode-line</tt> (a misnomer). It will insert a
 call 'noweb-insert-mode-line' (a misnomer). It will insert a
 
-??changed:
--containing lisp code, for example, should have the following first line:
--<pre>
--% -*- mode: Noweb; noweb-code-mode: lisp-mode -*-
--</pre>
 containing lisp code, for example, should have the following first line::
 
   % -*- mode: Noweb; noweb-code-mode: lisp-mode -*-
 
-??changed:
--<tt>foo.ext.pamphlet</tt>, where <tt>ext</tt> indicates the type of
--the code chunks. For example, <tt>foo.lisp.pamphlet</tt> would contain Lisp
--code and <tt>bar.spad.pamphlet</tt> would contain spad code. This allows for a
 'foo.ext.pamphlet', where 'ext' indicates the type of
 the code chunks. For example, 'foo.lisp.pamphlet' would contain Lisp
 code and 'bar.spad.pamphlet' would contain spad code. This allows for a
 
-??changed:
--your <tt>.emacs</tt>:
--<pre>
--(defun kai:set-code-mode ()
--  (let* ((filename (buffer-file-name)))
--    (let ((end (string-match "\\.pamphlet" filename)))
--      (noweb-set-code-mode
--       (assoc-default (substring filename 0 end)
--                      auto-mode-alist
--                      'string-match
--                      'fundamental-mode)))))
--
--(add-hook 'noweb-mode-hook 'kai:set-code-mode)
--</pre>
 your '.emacs'::
 
   (defun kai:set-code-mode ()
@@ -12107,31 +8650,8 @@ your '.emacs'::
   (add-hook 'noweb-mode-hook 'kai:set-code-mode)
 
 
-??changed:
--the <tt>auto-mode-alist</tt>-mechanism to choose the code mode and
 the 'auto-mode-alist'-mechanism to choose the code mode and
 
-??changed:
--finds oneself in a situation, where a pamphlet looks like this:
--<pre>
--\documentclass{article}
--\usepackage{noweb}
--
--\begin{document}
--  \title{DWIM.BOOT.PAMPHLET}
--  \author{John Doe}
--  \maketitle
--
--<<*>>=
--source code
--@
--</pre>
--The pamphlet doesn't contain any documentation and just one big code
--  chunk. Usually that means that the original author didn't use
--  literate programming and that the source code was just transformed
--  to a pamphlet in the obvious - and useless - way. If you want to
--  transform it into a true literate program you'll often want to take
--[31 more lines...]
 finds oneself in a situation, where a pamphlet looks like this::
 
   \documentclass{article}
@@ -12142,8 +8662,7 @@ finds oneself in a situation, where a pamphlet looks like this::
     \author{John Doe}
     \maketitle
   
-  <<*>>=
-  source code
+  <<*>>  source code
   @
 
 The pamphlet doesn't contain any documentation and just one big
@@ -12182,20 +8701,8 @@ the new chunk to reside and press 'C-c y'.
 It would be nicer, if one could bind 'kai:noweb-yank'
 to 'C-y' instead. Unfortunately that doesn't work. The problem
 
-??changed:
--for <tt>C-y</tt>. I'm not sure if this explanation is accurate,
 for 'C-y'. I'm not sure if this explanation is accurate,
 
-??changed:
--put <a href="boot-mode.el"><tt>boot-mode.el</tt></a> into
--your <tt>load-path</tt> and add the following to
--your <tt>.emacs</tt>:
--<pre>
--;; BOOT-MODE
--(require 'boot-mode)
--(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
--  '(".*\\.boot" . boot-mode))
--</pre>
 put <a href="boot-mode.el">'boot-mode.el'</a> into
 your 'load-path' and add the following to
 your '.emacs'::
@@ -12205,46 +8712,13 @@ your '.emacs'::
   (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist
     '(".*\\\\.boot" . boot-mode))
 
-??changed:
--high-lighting and making <tt>comment-region</tt> work.
--
 high-lighting and making 'comment-region' work.
 
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+Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:19:45 -0400
 From: Cliff Yapp
 To: William Sit
 Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:19:45 -0400
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 On Thursday 08 September 2005 01:39 am, William Sit wrote:
 > > C Y wrote:
@@ -12489,43 +8963,12 @@ programatically, IIRC!).
 I think you addressed that problem in the previous email, but we'll see when 
 we get to coding :-).
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 C Y wrote:
 > 
@@ -12696,38 +9139,11 @@ I think you have understood the design quite well.
 Yes, everything depends on how to coding goes! (especially when it comes to the
 compiler). 
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 >
@@ -12737,8 +9153,7 @@ Cc: list
 > comfortable with defaults, that is, undefined identifiers are of 
 > type Symbol (techically, Variable(s) for Symbol s), and any other 
 > operations will be promoted to a higher domain, usually POLY
-> INT, then that is fine. But if someone wants to work with say S :=
-> EXPR INT and uses SIUNitSystem(S), then he will have to package 
+> INT, then that is fine. But if someone wants to work with say S :> EXPR INT and uses SIUNitSystem(S), then he will have to package 
 > call the setDimUnit for an undefined identifier s.
 
 Ho boy, this is where my limited understanding of strong typing rears
@@ -12832,46 +9247,16 @@ the interpreter as opposed to coding it and compiling it?  In Maxima,
 generally speaking, it was all the same - I take it that's not the case
 here?  Eeep.
 
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 Date: 08 Sep 2005 23:07:44 -0400
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+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: Axiom sources for Debian release with 2.6.7
+Cc: Allen Rouse
 
 Greetings!
 
-root Tim Daly writes:
+Tim Daly writes:
 
 > Camm,
 > 
@@ -12891,48 +9276,12 @@ accomplished the same thing.  It would be great if we could follow
 suit here as well.  The earlier call was a 'personality set'.  Do you
 have any idea of an analogous syscall here?
 
-Take care,
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+Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:21:57 -0500
 From: MathAction (unknown)
 To: MathAction
-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:21:57 -0500
-Cc: 
 Subject: [AxiomDownload] compilation of axiom-Sept2005
 
-Changes http://www.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
---
 I tried to build axiom-Sept2005 from sources on slackware-current but its compilation stops with an error:
 
 make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/axiom/src/boot'
@@ -12953,83 +9302,22 @@ make[1]: *** [srcdir] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/axiom'
 make: *** [all] Error 2
 
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-Subject: [AxiomDownload] [AxiomDownload] compilation of
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-Changes http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/AxiomDownload/diff
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 bootsys is a lisp image.
 can you start the bootsys image by hand?
 
 /usr/local/src/axiom/obj/linux/bin/bootsys
 
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+\start
 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 03:34:02 -0400
 From: William Sit
-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 To: Cliff Yapp
-Message-id: <43213AEA.FB392EB2@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 C Y wrote:
 > 
@@ -13097,13 +9385,14 @@ and not extendable to include something not anticipated.
   foo:PhysicalDimension:= Mass^2*Time*Length^(-3)
   setDim(foo, s)
 
-Making Dimension a free abelian group, written multiplicatively, based on some
-basic dimensions as generators (these may differ depending on expert area) may
-avoid the "Union" problem. We can now easily have a DimensionCategory. A
-corresponding UnitsCategory will also be a subcategory of the free abelian group
-category (FreeAbelianGroup is a category in Axiom, this will save a lot of
-implementation work since all the functions (equality, and reduction, for
-example) are built in already! We can have a free abelian group on ANY set. 
+Making Dimension a free abelian group, written multiplicatively, based
+on some basic dimensions as generators (these may differ depending on
+expert area) may avoid the "Union" problem. We can now easily have a
+DimensionCategory. A corresponding UnitsCategory will also be a
+subcategory of the free abelian group category (FreeAbelianGroup is a
+category in Axiom, this will save a lot of implementation work since
+all the functions (equality, and reduction, for example) are built in
+already! We can have a free abelian group on ANY set.
 
 We need more discussion on this, on how this affects the functions.
 
@@ -13129,38 +9418,11 @@ problems are you have to tell the compiler where to find the functions
 (coercion, package call). All abbreviations must also be defined for the
 compiler.
 
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 To: William Sit
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 Oh, while I remember - would it workable to adopt the following
 notation for reduced dimensions?
@@ -13176,46 +9438,11 @@ I don't know how we want to denote this on units - my thinking at the
 moment is that reduced dimensions don't have reduced units, but that's
 just off the cuff.
 
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 From: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 To: William Sit
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 --- William Sit wrote:
 > 
@@ -13345,58 +9572,11 @@ try and think some more about this.
 > tell the compiler where to find the functions (coercion, package
 > call). All abbreviations must also be defined for the compiler.
 
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
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@@ -13502,41 +9682,11 @@ Dimension domains. We will need to construct quotient objects in the abelian
 group category. Any introductory modern algebra book will have enough coverage
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+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
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@@ -13561,130 +9711,79 @@ reduced dimension is identical to the dimension. The user can also explicitly
 ask for a reduced dimension through functions such as reduce(identifier).
 Reduced dimension can have reduced units (why not)?
 
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+From: Gregory Vanuxem
+To: William Sit
+Subject: Re: Unit package proposals and questions
 
 Hi,
 
 Le vendredi 09 septembre 2005 =E0 09:42 -0400, William Sit a =E9crit :
-> --=20
-> William Sit
-> Department of Mathematics....Email: William Sit
-> City College of New York................Tel: 212-650-5179
-> Convent Ave at West 138th Street........Fax: 212-862-0004
-> New York, NY 10031..Axiom, A Scientific Computation Sytem
-> USA............... http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/index.html
->=20
->=20
+>
 > C Y wrote:
-> >=20
+> >
 > > --- William Sit wrote:
 > > > I'll leave that up to you. Enforcing a sticky dimension to an
 > > > identifier is similar to enforcing type to an identifier, so it
 > > > is similating dimensions as types.
-> >=20
+> >
 > > Hmm - is that good or bad?
->=20
-> Good for naive users and maybe even for expert users. But just like typ=
-es are
-> rigid, sticky dimension will also be rigid. There are users who prefer =
-more
+>
+> Good for naive users and maybe even for expert users. But just like types are
+> rigid, sticky dimension will also be rigid. There are users who prefer more
 > loose settings (that's one reason why Mathematica or Maple is popular).
->=20
+>
 > [snipped]
->=20
+>
 > > Except in the case of a student, they might just ignore the warning,
-> > accept the overwrite, and proceed with the calculation hoping they ca=
-n
+> > accept the overwrite, and proceed with the calculation hoping they can
 > > just ignore 